Another Turbo Kit is ready!
11-09-2005, 06:12 PM
#62
Banned
SL Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
Posts: 135
Update
I talked to Turbonetics. The kits should be ready mid Dec.
Also, a big question I get is about the piping. It is all aluminum and the finish is called Black Chrome. It looks as cool as it sounds
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Also, a big question I get is about the piping. It is all aluminum and the finish is called Black Chrome. It looks as cool as it sounds
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
11-10-2005, 12:54 PM
#65
Senior Member
SL Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 228
This question is alittle off topic, but it still concerns your kit!
What makes a kit a stag0,1,2,3? is it just what the company making desires to call it? Because I notice that this kit is comparabale to the ZPI stage 1 in price and products that come with the kit. So what makes this kit a stage 2 as aposed to a stage 1 since they did not even make a stage 1?
What makes a kit a stag0,1,2,3? is it just what the company making desires to call it? Because I notice that this kit is comparabale to the ZPI stage 1 in price and products that come with the kit. So what makes this kit a stage 2 as aposed to a stage 1 since they did not even make a stage 1?
11-10-2005, 02:04 PM
#67
Senior Member
Scikotics
SL Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,720
Hmm.. I have always wondered the same thing. So its not dependant upon the items that make up the kit? LOL.. I thought a stage 1 was a turbo set up minus the intercooler, and the stage 2 was w/ intercooler. LOL.. 
I'm such a jerk! LOL
I'm such a jerk! LOL
11-10-2005, 02:27 PM
#68
Banned
SL Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
Posts: 135
Originally it was based on the stage of the wheel in the turbine the higher the stage the more HP the turbocharger could produce. Then it morphed into stage I being without and intercooler and or fuel management and a stage II being more complete w/ the IC, fuel compaonents, etc.. and Stage III being more of a race kit, not really meant for the stock engine. Now, most companies just call it whatever they want. There isn't really any standardization.
The turbonetics kit that we have been talking about is made to be safe on the stock engine at 8 PSI, but the kit itself has the capability to flow close to 400WHP with the right engine build and tuning. Just turn up the boost!
** disclaimer: do not just turn up the boost without properly building the engine and professioanlly tuning the EMS **
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
The turbonetics kit that we have been talking about is made to be safe on the stock engine at 8 PSI, but the kit itself has the capability to flow close to 400WHP with the right engine build and tuning. Just turn up the boost!
** disclaimer: do not just turn up the boost without properly building the engine and professioanlly tuning the EMS **
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Originally Posted by Stu_Gotti
Hmm.. I have always wondered the same thing. So its not dependant upon the items that make up the kit? LOL.. I thought a stage 1 was a turbo set up minus the intercooler, and the stage 2 was w/ intercooler. LOL.. I'm such a jerk! LOL
I'm such a jerk! LOL
11-10-2005, 02:42 PM
#69
Senior Member
Scikotics
SL Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,720
Ooooo.. got ya.. I knew it was something along those lines. I guess I've been away from the boards for a while, and lost my "suedo-mechanical touch" ;) Haha.. I just listen and try and pick up on things, and I definelty get interested when it comes to doing internal and F/I work on our cars.
So basically what I'm gathering now from my readings is that I could technically get this kit, only running 8PSI and basically drive this daily and not really suffer (true/false)? I know upgrading the clutch is something that should be done, now I've learned slightly about compression ratios.. so then a block with 8.5.1 would be great for boosted apps? I would ultimately want to be able to run a higher level of boost, and make 300 or more WHP. Jess.. Gotta say man, you've definelty provided some good info, also some other guys have too. Preciate all the insight!
So basically what I'm gathering now from my readings is that I could technically get this kit, only running 8PSI and basically drive this daily and not really suffer (true/false)? I know upgrading the clutch is something that should be done, now I've learned slightly about compression ratios.. so then a block with 8.5.1 would be great for boosted apps? I would ultimately want to be able to run a higher level of boost, and make 300 or more WHP. Jess.. Gotta say man, you've definelty provided some good info, also some other guys have too. Preciate all the insight!
11-10-2005, 02:52 PM
#70
Senior Member
SL Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 228
So basically your stage 2 and ZPI's stage 1 are at the same level just different names because of different company.(and give or take a few parts)
What is the difference between your piggyback ECU and ZPI's pretuned emanage?
What is the difference between your piggyback ECU and ZPI's pretuned emanage?
11-10-2005, 02:59 PM
#72
Banned
SL Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
Posts: 135
Hey Stu,
Yes, you are correct, you can buy this Turbonetics kit, 100% bolt on and plug and play. No worries. The clutch is a wearable item it will wear down faster with the additional power. You could atleast run the stock clutch until it starts to slip and then upgrade. However, if your finances allow'd, get the clutch with the kit.
In regards to the compression you are 50% correct. For high boost applications 20+PSI you need to lower the compression to continue using pump gas. However, at 8 PSI you should be 250+ WHP already so 300WHP would only be a few PSI away. Install forged pistons, rings & rods running stock compression, head studs and a good head gasket, you could see your 300WHP goal easily without dropping the compression.
Remember lowering the compression will lower your off boost HP. So you will feel a bit more slugish before the boost hits. So if you can keep your stock compression and get to your goals, you will be much happier in the long run.
Hope this made sense, if not, just let me know
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Yes, you are correct, you can buy this Turbonetics kit, 100% bolt on and plug and play. No worries. The clutch is a wearable item it will wear down faster with the additional power. You could atleast run the stock clutch until it starts to slip and then upgrade. However, if your finances allow'd, get the clutch with the kit.
In regards to the compression you are 50% correct. For high boost applications 20+PSI you need to lower the compression to continue using pump gas. However, at 8 PSI you should be 250+ WHP already so 300WHP would only be a few PSI away. Install forged pistons, rings & rods running stock compression, head studs and a good head gasket, you could see your 300WHP goal easily without dropping the compression.
Remember lowering the compression will lower your off boost HP. So you will feel a bit more slugish before the boost hits. So if you can keep your stock compression and get to your goals, you will be much happier in the long run.
Hope this made sense, if not, just let me know
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Originally Posted by Stu_Gotti
Ooooo.. got ya.. I knew it was something along those lines. I guess I've been away from the boards for a while, and lost my "suedo-mechanical touch" ;) Haha.. I just listen and try and pick up on things, and I definelty get interested when it comes to doing internal and F/I work on our cars.
So basically what I'm gathering now from my readings is that I could technically get this kit, only running 8PSI and basically drive this daily and not really suffer (true/false)? I know upgrading the clutch is something that should be done, now I've learned slightly about compression ratios.. so then a block with 8.5.1 would be great for boosted apps? I would ultimately want to be able to run a higher level of boost, and make 300 or more WHP. Jess.. Gotta say man, you've definelty provided some good info, also some other guys have too. Preciate all the insight!
So basically what I'm gathering now from my readings is that I could technically get this kit, only running 8PSI and basically drive this daily and not really suffer (true/false)? I know upgrading the clutch is something that should be done, now I've learned slightly about compression ratios.. so then a block with 8.5.1 would be great for boosted apps? I would ultimately want to be able to run a higher level of boost, and make 300 or more WHP. Jess.. Gotta say man, you've definelty provided some good info, also some other guys have too. Preciate all the insight!
11-10-2005, 03:02 PM
#73
Senior Member
Scikotics
SL Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 3,720
Outstanding explanation! Thanks a lot bro! I just need to hear it once, and it usually sticks. Made it nice and clear. Hopefully my car gets fixed here soon, and that kit is as good as bought Preciate it!
Preciate it!
11-10-2005, 03:20 PM
#74
Banned
SL Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
Posts: 135
Correct... Since they start with Stage 0, the Stage I is like the Turbonetics Stage II.
If you want to make it easier, you could say they are both street kits.
The differences in the ECUs:
1) I am not sure how ZPi does it, but the Unichip in the Turbonetics kit is plug and play with harness, etc. No need to actually chop into the existing harness which you typically need to do w/ the eManage.
2) The unichip isn't just a +% over stock, it actually runs it's own fuel and timing maps just like a standalone. I would say it is more like the eManage Ultimate without having to hack into your stock factory harness.
3) the Unichip can also control:
Variable cam timing switch-over points
Electronic boost control
Water injection
Override speed limiter
Drive additional injectors
Raise your rev limiter
Control progressive nitrous control with retarded timing
Provide launch control on turbo-charged applications
Remove the alternator load under prescribed conditions
Replace mechanical ignition system with mapped ignition
Optimize timing and fuel map settings
Here is a great link: http://www.unichip.us/faq.asp
The Unichip is top notch, but I wouldn't expect anything else from Turbonetics.
In regards to the injectors, due to the large size of the stock injectors, my guess is they will atleast be 525 if not 550cc. However, don't quote me as Turbonetics as not released the specs yet.
Let me know if you need anything else
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
If you want to make it easier, you could say they are both street kits.
The differences in the ECUs:
1) I am not sure how ZPi does it, but the Unichip in the Turbonetics kit is plug and play with harness, etc. No need to actually chop into the existing harness which you typically need to do w/ the eManage.
2) The unichip isn't just a +% over stock, it actually runs it's own fuel and timing maps just like a standalone. I would say it is more like the eManage Ultimate without having to hack into your stock factory harness.
3) the Unichip can also control:
Variable cam timing switch-over points
Electronic boost control
Water injection
Override speed limiter
Drive additional injectors
Raise your rev limiter
Control progressive nitrous control with retarded timing
Provide launch control on turbo-charged applications
Remove the alternator load under prescribed conditions
Replace mechanical ignition system with mapped ignition
Optimize timing and fuel map settings
Here is a great link: http://www.unichip.us/faq.asp
The Unichip is top notch, but I wouldn't expect anything else from Turbonetics.
In regards to the injectors, due to the large size of the stock injectors, my guess is they will atleast be 525 if not 550cc. However, don't quote me as Turbonetics as not released the specs yet.
Let me know if you need anything else
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Originally Posted by cmlloveless
So basically your stage 2 and ZPI's stage 1 are at the same level just different names because of different company.(and give or take a few parts)
What is the difference between your piggyback ECU and ZPI's pretuned emanage?
What is the difference between your piggyback ECU and ZPI's pretuned emanage?
11-11-2005, 12:26 AM
#75
Senior Member
SL Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Earth
Posts: 228
great answer! man I like your customer service! I will not have the money until next summer, but I will definetly be getting this kit! Not only for the power, but it has great cosmetic value as well. Very nice!
I am asuming the price I was quoted in an email was a pre-sale price and will go up as soon as the kit comes out?
I am asuming the price I was quoted in an email was a pre-sale price and will go up as soon as the kit comes out?
11-11-2005, 02:06 PM
#77
Banned
SL Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
Posts: 135
Unfortunately... However, a $500 deposit will hold the kit until March, 06 at thhat price...
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Jesse @ Turbo Kits.com
Originally Posted by cmlloveless
great answer! man I like your customer service! I will not have the money until next summer, but I will definetly be getting this kit! Not only for the power, but it has great cosmetic value as well. Very nice!
I am asuming the price I was quoted in an email was a pre-sale price and will go up as soon as the kit comes out?
I am asuming the price I was quoted in an email was a pre-sale price and will go up as soon as the kit comes out?
11-11-2005, 03:28 PM
#79
Banned
SL Member
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windsor Locks, CT
Posts: 135
Don't worry, we'll still give you the best price possible
Jesse
Jesse
Originally Posted by cmlloveless
Now only if I had $500
I get a pay raise($1300 month) starting in Dec. So I will then be saving for a turbo kit! I guess I will just have to pay full price!
I get a pay raise($1300 month) starting in Dec. So I will then be saving for a turbo kit! I guess I will just have to pay full price!
