Notices
Scion tC 1G Forced Induction Turbo and supercharger applications...

Couple questions

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-10-2010 | 09:12 PM
  #21  
Carlanga's Avatar
Senior Member

10 Year Member
5 Year Member

Scikotics
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 1,129
From: Houston, TX (Puerto Rico)
Default

off topic question. Are you guys saying that the kaminari reverse cowl hood will fit with the TT v2.1 manifold?
Old 02-11-2010 | 12:13 AM
  #22  
Prototype_xB's Avatar
Senior Member

10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,113
From: Goldsboro, NC
Default

Originally Posted by WalkaWalka
thanks for all the advice first off. Yea I think stage 3 is a little overkill for now but when or if I need to rebuild motor I will no longer be only running 8-10 psi so it will be about right then. Also I am going to run stock clutch as long as possible at least until I take manual transmissions this summer at school.

My main concern is with the o2 sensors. With a f/ic and a uego do I need more than just the one wideband making it the only o2 sensor or would I need a total of 3.. I have seen the uego can emulate a narrow so thus replacing stock?

Next I have to have a cat on this car and I will run 2.5" pipe but has anyone had any luck with a certain brand? I put a magnaflow 'high flow' on the suburban but thing is a terd anyway so I don't need if it restricts too much or not
With what you're saying; plans later of building the engine, it would save you money now to get a much larger turbo. GT3071/76R, Precision 6262, or the likes, but that's beside the point. The way your o2 sensors will work is like this:

If you're using an aem FIC it will be piggyback to the stock ECU. Thus you'll still be using the stock primary and secondary o2 sensors. The UEGO or the like will be an auxillary sensor you'd want to place as close to the turbo as you can (along the downpipe or S-pipe before the secondary)(You'll have to weld in a bung). This sensor will be (if you get the UEGO) hooked to an A/F gagues (2-1/16")(comes with the kit) mounted in the cabin along with boost gauge and whatever else gauges you use. Now if you were to upgrade to an AEM EMS later there's a secondary connector on the UEGO harness to hook into the EMS which then, but don't quote me, you wouldn't need the factory sensors.


Here are some pics of my UEGO setup in my past 06 dezod powered tC:


Name:  gauges3.jpg
Views: 14
Size:  53.9 KB
Name:  gauges1.jpg
Views: 15
Size:  55.8 KB





Wideband AEM sensor and secondary with homemade antifouler

Name:  100_2508.jpg
Views: 15
Size:  52.1 KB

You have to weld in an extra bung:

Name:  100_2414.jpg
Views: 15
Size:  28.2 KB




I used Dezods catted downpipe with antifoulers on the secondary 02 and here's the result:



Name:  100_2510.jpg
Views: 10
Size:  37.3 KB
NO CEL!!!!....ever
Old 02-11-2010 | 04:03 AM
  #23  
WalkaWalka's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 119
From: Terre Haute, IN
Default

Okay that all sounds good. as far as the bigger turbo I realize it would be better in the long run but if I get a big turbo now the life expectancy of my engine will drastically change. I went and checked out the kit tonight and it all looks good, used but good, will need to replace all the clamps and boots.

Where and how did you mount the intercooler.. The guy I'm buying from drilled a hole through the bumper and ran long bolts down.. seemed okay but might try to improve on that
Old 02-11-2010 | 04:25 AM
  #24  
Mouse's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member

5 Year Member
SL Member
Scinergy
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,569
From: 5280
Default

Interesting there ProtoType.... on the pic with your anti-foulers. I've ran that trick on both of my tC's. However, I see that you have it stepped out using a total of 3 of them. I've only ever used 2. So you don't have any issues stepping the sensor that far out of the pipe?
Old 02-11-2010 | 06:09 AM
  #25  
Prototype_xB's Avatar
Senior Member

10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,113
From: Goldsboro, NC
Default

Originally Posted by WalkaWalka
Okay that all sounds good. as far as the bigger turbo I realize it would be better in the long run but if I get a big turbo now the life expectancy of my engine will drastically change. I went and checked out the kit tonight and it all looks good, used but good, will need to replace all the clamps and boots.

Where and how did you mount the intercooler.. The guy I'm buying from drilled a hole through the bumper and ran long bolts down.. seemed okay but might try to improve on that
The larger turbo will not drastically change the life expectancy of your engine. You can just run lower boost. As far as mounting the intercooler, You'll have to drill your crash bar. Sorry, but it's not difficult at all my friend. This is all you have to do. Find the centerline of the intercooler, then find the centerline of the crashbar. Mark each centerline. Line them up, then mark where the mounting holes on the brackets meet the crashbar. (i used whiteout for all). Then use a drill bit slightly larger than the bolts and slowly drill through the crash bar. Pics:



Name:  100_2404.jpg
Views: 12
Size:  51.3 KB
Name:  100_2405.jpg
Views: 10
Size:  51.0 KB
Name:  100_2406.jpg
Views: 10
Size:  50.0 KB
Name:  100_2411.jpg
Views: 15
Size:  37.9 KB

Last edited by Prototype_xB; 02-11-2010 at 06:51 AM.
Old 02-11-2010 | 06:13 AM
  #26  
Prototype_xB's Avatar
Senior Member

10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,113
From: Goldsboro, NC
Default

Originally Posted by Mouse
Interesting there ProtoType.... on the pic with your anti-foulers. I've ran that trick on both of my tC's. However, I see that you have it stepped out using a total of 3 of them. I've only ever used 2. So you don't have any issues stepping the sensor that far out of the pipe?
You're right, i used a total of 3. 2 of which were bored out. The fouler threaded into the s-pipe was not bored. No never had an issue using 3. I was getting CEL's when i only used 2, so i used 3 and no more CELs. My tune was more so on the richer side, so reason being.
Old 02-11-2010 | 06:14 AM
  #27  
crush02342002's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member

5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 11,271
From: Houston, TX
Default

Originally Posted by brett561tc
didnt carbonxe have a simple kit? im pretty sure he made more power, on less boost on the same dyno, with the f/ic?
so did I...298hp 301tq @11psi with aem fic on the exact same kit.
Old 02-11-2010 | 12:31 PM
  #28  
WalkaWalka's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 119
From: Terre Haute, IN
Default

I never said it was hard he just drilled from the top of the crash bar through the bottom (going through like 4 layers of metal and his ended up a little crooked).. I'd rather mount it like you have it but I will have to make some brackets no big deal but your pics helped thanks. his just have the threads on top and no bracket.
Old 02-11-2010 | 01:06 PM
  #29  
Prototype_xB's Avatar
Senior Member

10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Team ScioNRG
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 4,113
From: Goldsboro, NC
Default

Originally Posted by WalkaWalka
I never said it was hard he just drilled from the top of the crash bar through the bottom (going through like 4 layers of metal and his ended up a little crooked).. I'd rather mount it like you have it but I will have to make some brackets no big deal but your pics helped thanks. his just have the threads on top and no bracket.
Wow, that would have to be pretty long drill bit! What kind of kit are you buying from this guy? if it's custom what all is he including?
Old 02-11-2010 | 02:47 PM
  #30  
rangerryda's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,251
From: Melbourne, FL
Default

In for pics!
Old 02-12-2010 | 04:00 AM
  #31  
WalkaWalka's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 119
From: Terre Haute, IN
Default

Its got the turbo, manifold, down pipe, s pipe, intercooler piping, bov, wastegate, 550 cc injectors, ingalls engine damper, gauge pod, DC sports strut bar, oil lines. Local guy is parting out his old car, moved on to a supra. Googled his name and got a couple hits for winning car shows. He was listed on here for getting second in a NOPI event in atl. Its all I need except tapping the pan, gauges, fic, and new clamps. He has a greddy ultimate but I am going with the fic.
Attached Thumbnails Couple questions-turbo.jpg  
Old 02-12-2010 | 04:29 AM
  #32  
rangerryda's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,251
From: Melbourne, FL
Default

Not a bad setup, just be sure to get a shorter oil feed line, holy crap that's too long! If you can get the Greddy Ultimate with a MAP sensor with a PNP harness cheaper than the FIC, don't be afraid to use it. I know a few boosted TC's personally that run perfect on them with a good tune. They actually run a little smoother and closer to "factory boosted" than the FIC. It's just usually more expensive to get and tune than the AEM. I use an FIC myself so either choice is a good one in my book, just trying to save you a few bones.
Old 02-12-2010 | 12:45 PM
  #33  
WalkaWalka's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 119
From: Terre Haute, IN
Default

Yea I wouldn't mind using an ultimate but they are pricey and the guy I'm getting it from was not impressed. I read the manual for it and thought it sounded great. My biggest expense I think will be gauges.. holy cow AEM are more for four gauges than the whole f/ic and harness.. ridiculous if you ask me
Old 02-12-2010 | 01:37 PM
  #34  
skinnayyy's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Team Scionara
SL Member
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,230
From: Hazel Park, MI
Default

yeah boost afr and oil pres. was 500 dollars for me for AEM digital gauges. Kinda pricey but at least you know you're getting good stuff and it's going to work.
Old 02-12-2010 | 01:47 PM
  #35  
Ace83's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Ronin Scion
SL Member
Premium Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 11,117
From: TX
Default

honestly if I were to restart getting new gauges, i wouldnt go would aem.. theyre not stepping up when it comes to aesthetic aspect..
Old 02-12-2010 | 02:00 PM
  #36  
WalkaWalka's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
SL Member
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 119
From: Terre Haute, IN
Default

Yea the digital to me look a little dated but the analog are classic
Old 02-12-2010 | 04:57 PM
  #37  
rangerryda's Avatar
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 2,251
From: Melbourne, FL
Default

I <3 my analog wideband
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bootlgr
Scion xA/xB 1st-Gen ICE & Interior
1
01-26-2016 01:22 AM
Greg S
Scion tC 1G Forced Induction
17
05-28-2015 12:46 AM
TotalChaos
Scion tC 1G Drivetrain & Power
13
02-04-2015 10:24 PM
fearturtle44
Scion xB 1st-Gen Owners Lounge
15
02-13-2004 01:15 AM
tbblizzard
Scion xA/xB 1st-Gen Drivetrain & Power
11
12-05-2003 12:21 AM



Quick Reply: Couple questions



All times are GMT. The time now is 01:14 AM.