Customer feed back on Dezod/APR X1 inline ECU
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08-12-2010 | 08:12 PM
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I took your advice today. I cut that 3" piece off the intake and did some testing. It ran like isht without a velocity stack and/or air filter to smooth the airflow but I couldn't find a 2.75" filter locally so I (you'll love this) cut a piece of 2.75" single-ply silicone coupler leftover from my previous CAI setup as filler and installed my 3" AEM filter onto it. Perfect fit but only temporary. I ordered a new K&N filter today because the AEM doesn't fit very well now due to the shortened intake pipe length.
Anyway, it runs even better than it did with my silicone coupler stuffed into the 3" end-section to reduce turbulence and much better than it did with that coupler removed. I actually have some hope that this 2.75" (66mm ID) intake might actually work with the X1 if I can ever find out how to determine the correct MafID for the X1 (see above post).
Thanks Don. I hope you will continue to offer your sage advice despite your statement about "saying no more". I wish I had tried this sooner. It's too early to say that it's fixed everything but it did make a very noticeable improvement. I'll know more in a few days.
Anyway, it runs even better than it did with my silicone coupler stuffed into the 3" end-section to reduce turbulence and much better than it did with that coupler removed. I actually have some hope that this 2.75" (66mm ID) intake might actually work with the X1 if I can ever find out how to determine the correct MafID for the X1 (see above post).
Thanks Don. I hope you will continue to offer your sage advice despite your statement about "saying no more". I wish I had tried this sooner. It's too early to say that it's fixed everything but it did make a very noticeable improvement. I'll know more in a few days.
08-22-2010 | 05:16 PM
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Alright well to add more feedback...
I purchased the Allan Phillips Racing X1 from Dezod Motorsports August 9th, but took delivery and got tuned by Paul from Dezod on August 12th.
I was initially running the AEM FIC and I looked into AEM EMS, PTuning's Haltech, and the Hydra too. When it came time to decide I chose to go the APR X1 route because I wanted to be able to pass emissions plus Paul gave me a ride in the shop NA X1'ed, otherwise stock, Xb which was pretty impressive.
The first thing to notice is how smooth the unit really is. I was pitting all my hopes for an OEM feel in my boosted tC, but was still a bit skeptical of the hype surrounding the X1. Well, it's true what you hear. The tip into boost is absolutely seamless. I'm running a custom Turbonetics kit on 8psi so that 50 trim BB turbo spools quick. I often catch myself tipping into boost without realizing until I hear the actual turbo spooling or a little blow off.
The next thing is the control of the unit. AFRs are very precise; 14.7/14.8 during cruising and at WOT they were set to 11.1 and they are pegged EVERY single time at 11.1! Gotta love that reliability! Fuel trims during tuning were showing +-1 via Paul's OBD II scan tool just reiterating the control and precision of the unit.
Thirdly, some of the other cool features. Stock rev limiter is set to 6500RPM. Using the X1's configuration feature Paul raised my limiter to 6900RPM. The other trick function is the "Check Engine" light (CEL) can be set to flash at any rev point as a shift light! My shift light is currently set at 6650RPM. The speed governor can also be customized too, but Paul left it at the stock 124mph. I've looked at the software and when I decide to change it, it will just be deleting and typing in the new limit in the configuration section. I need to check what the speed rating on stock tires are.
I dyno'd my tC on Street Tuned Motorsports' Mustang Dyno in Rochester, NY where I'm from and here's another testament to the ability of the X1 not to mention a good tune by Paul.
221WHP and 210ft-lbs. The guys at STM told me that stock Evo's dyno at 200WHP on their dyno (they are a DSM/Evo shop). Notice how flat my torque line is and how smooth the power curve is. It pulls hard!
Miscellaneous observations and thoughts
Dezod Motorsports/Allan Phillips Racing X1
Thanks Don and Paul 
I purchased the Allan Phillips Racing X1 from Dezod Motorsports August 9th, but took delivery and got tuned by Paul from Dezod on August 12th.
I was initially running the AEM FIC and I looked into AEM EMS, PTuning's Haltech, and the Hydra too. When it came time to decide I chose to go the APR X1 route because I wanted to be able to pass emissions plus Paul gave me a ride in the shop NA X1'ed, otherwise stock, Xb which was pretty impressive.
The first thing to notice is how smooth the unit really is. I was pitting all my hopes for an OEM feel in my boosted tC, but was still a bit skeptical of the hype surrounding the X1. Well, it's true what you hear. The tip into boost is absolutely seamless. I'm running a custom Turbonetics kit on 8psi so that 50 trim BB turbo spools quick. I often catch myself tipping into boost without realizing until I hear the actual turbo spooling or a little blow off.
The next thing is the control of the unit. AFRs are very precise; 14.7/14.8 during cruising and at WOT they were set to 11.1 and they are pegged EVERY single time at 11.1! Gotta love that reliability! Fuel trims during tuning were showing +-1 via Paul's OBD II scan tool just reiterating the control and precision of the unit.
Thirdly, some of the other cool features. Stock rev limiter is set to 6500RPM. Using the X1's configuration feature Paul raised my limiter to 6900RPM. The other trick function is the "Check Engine" light (CEL) can be set to flash at any rev point as a shift light! My shift light is currently set at 6650RPM. The speed governor can also be customized too, but Paul left it at the stock 124mph. I've looked at the software and when I decide to change it, it will just be deleting and typing in the new limit in the configuration section. I need to check what the speed rating on stock tires are.
I dyno'd my tC on Street Tuned Motorsports' Mustang Dyno in Rochester, NY where I'm from and here's another testament to the ability of the X1 not to mention a good tune by Paul.
221WHP and 210ft-lbs. The guys at STM told me that stock Evo's dyno at 200WHP on their dyno (they are a DSM/Evo shop). Notice how flat my torque line is and how smooth the power curve is. It pulls hard!
Miscellaneous observations and thoughts
My Turbonetics set up was meant to be recirculated but I am dumping to atmosphere. I welded up the recirc tube so there's no turning back without modification. I've noticed that accelerating into boost and immediately, completely backing off the throttle, and braking in neutral still allows me to stall; but this situation doesn't really come around unless I'm solely trying to get a quick blow without much distance to decelerate more steadily. Doing that is pretty impractical too haha.
The Turbonetics set up radiates some nasty heat so intake air temperatures (IATs) tend to be kind of high at idle and rise quickly during deceleration. This gives the X1 a bit of trouble since the IAT sensor is located within the mass air flow sensor (MAF). I went for a spirited drive and dropped a friend off only to get caught up talking to her parents for about 15mins all the while my car was left idling and I went and checked my IATs which were at a scorching 168F! The high IATs (~120F+) make the fuel trims go a bit squirrely while the ECU struggles to combat the heat by extracting fuel. This has effects on idle AFRs and gives 1st gear some roughness to get going. I've found that revving to about 2k allows me to get going with no problems until I get things worked out. *On days that are cooler than 70F this has little to no effect. A blow through set up has been known to remedy this scenario since it relocates the MAF closer to the throttle body for a more accurate and generally cooler air temp. Before I attempt a blow through route I'm getting a custom ram air box fabricated Thursday and also entertaining the idea of a vented hood to see what extent would need to be reached to avoid these IAT problems. The IATs were overlooked when I ran the FIC because it runs off of a MAP tuning with speed density, so it didn't care if my car was breathing fire and potentially causing damage.
Other than those two things which are more cause and effect from my set up I really enjoy the X1. The software is pretty user friendly. All the tables operate like a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, all the folders are in an easy to find/read tree format, data logging is very simple and easy to review, and the software dash gauges are extensive and easy to read. Driving is fantastically enjoyable and reliability has been restored!
Hope this feedback gives people a good amount of information! Dezod Motorsports/Allan Phillips Racing X1
Thanks Don and Paul
Last edited by XPRTc; 08-23-2010 at 02:36 AM. Reason: added Dyno graph notation
09-21-2010 | 08:02 PM
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I know its off subject but those having flashing problems or slow program response. This link goes to the drivers for the APR.
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm try the 2.08.02. I download this newest driver reinstalled the APR software and works very nice and is very responsive! My reflashes actually work now. I couldn't get the APR to respond correctly but now its working after 3 months of throwing sensors at my car. I am happy about my APR it makes my feel peppy again. Paul knows my troubles! Paul I took some datalogs for you, you should be getting them shortly. I reflashed the unit with your new map you gave me to help solve my problems. I am sure its over but I will see how it goes once I start it up again in the morning. But for now, this new driver did the trick!
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm try the 2.08.02. I download this newest driver reinstalled the APR software and works very nice and is very responsive! My reflashes actually work now. I couldn't get the APR to respond correctly but now its working after 3 months of throwing sensors at my car. I am happy about my APR it makes my feel peppy again. Paul knows my troubles! Paul I took some datalogs for you, you should be getting them shortly. I reflashed the unit with your new map you gave me to help solve my problems. I am sure its over but I will see how it goes once I start it up again in the morning. But for now, this new driver did the trick!
09-22-2010 | 05:47 PM
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I know its off subject but those having flashing problems or slow program response. This link goes to the drivers for the APR.
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm try the 2.08.02. I download this newest driver reinstalled the APR software and works very nice and is very responsive! My reflashes actually work now. I couldn't get the APR to respond correctly but now its working after 3 months of throwing sensors at my car. I am happy about my APR it makes my feel peppy again. Paul knows my troubles! Paul I took some datalogs for you, you should be getting them shortly. I reflashed the unit with your new map you gave me to help solve my problems. I am sure its over but I will see how it goes once I start it up again in the morning. But for now, this new driver did the trick!
http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm try the 2.08.02. I download this newest driver reinstalled the APR software and works very nice and is very responsive! My reflashes actually work now. I couldn't get the APR to respond correctly but now its working after 3 months of throwing sensors at my car. I am happy about my APR it makes my feel peppy again. Paul knows my troubles! Paul I took some datalogs for you, you should be getting them shortly. I reflashed the unit with your new map you gave me to help solve my problems. I am sure its over but I will see how it goes once I start it up again in the morning. But for now, this new driver did the trick!
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