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Old 04-09-2009, 12:53 AM
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^^ i ran a ZPI stage 0 with stock injectors and no management for about a year.. it ran fine but i would still recomend management at least if you can afford it.
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A ZPI stage zero uses a 16G turbo a T3/T4 turbo is MUCH larger so just because a kit ran okay using a 16G doesnt mean you can put a T3/T4 on stock injectors and be okay.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
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http://www.dezod.com/pd_deatsch.cfm

ordered mine on a monday was told i'd have them the next friday.... they definately showed up that wednesday. you can drop the extra 80 if you want on the 700cc's (thats what i got) but plan on doing a 100 dollar fuel pump as well.

for tuning i honestly suggest the Fic its by far a better unit.

Emanage Ultimate > F/IC. If you can afford a little more, go with an Ultimate.
If i hear you speak such blasphemy again i will steal your first born for the span of 1 hour.

i like being able to have my car tuned for partial throttle.
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Originally Posted by Syldrin
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http://www.dezod.com/pd_deatsch.cfm

ordered mine on a monday was told i'd have them the next friday.... they definately showed up that wednesday. you can drop the extra 80 if you want on the 700cc's (thats what i got) but plan on doing a 100 dollar fuel pump as well.

for tuning i honestly suggest the Fic its by far a better unit.

Emanage Ultimate > F/IC. If you can afford a little more, go with an Ultimate.
If i hear you speak such blasphemy again i will steal your first born for the span of 1 hour.

i like being able to have my car tuned for partial throttle.
ummm i thought the ultimate can be tuned for partial throttle
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with dezods black box it might of been able to.
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Originally Posted by Syldrin
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http://www.dezod.com/pd_deatsch.cfm

ordered mine on a monday was told i'd have them the next friday.... they definately showed up that wednesday. you can drop the extra 80 if you want on the 700cc's (thats what i got) but plan on doing a 100 dollar fuel pump as well.

for tuning i honestly suggest the Fic its by far a better unit.

Emanage Ultimate > F/IC. If you can afford a little more, go with an Ultimate.
If i hear you speak such blasphemy again i will steal your first born for the span of 1 hour.

i like being able to have my car tuned for partial throttle.

Umm....U CAN part throttle with Ultimate. Not to mention it has 2step launch, ability to increase your rev limit, and speed cut.

Sorry Part throttle or no part throttle Ultimate > F/IC.
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Originally Posted by Syldrin
with dezods black box it might of been able to.
Don't need no stinking black box. Who even runs that anymore....
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you sure....i went back and looked and the ultimate has 02 feedback along with a few other things that makes me think it could....i have heard the greddy blue doesnt do partial throttle...then again i havnt played with either one of them...all fic baby...lmao
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then why the hell didnt the ultimate take off for us? im not saying it can't but the ultimate isnt a bad unit. i was just always under the impression it couldnt tune partial.
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Originally Posted by Syldrin
then why the hell didnt the ultimate take off for us? im not saying it can't but the ultimate isnt a bad unit. i was just always under the impression it couldnt tune partial.

Primarily it has to do with it's price. The blue box was the first to work, and everyone jumped that and didn't pay attention to it. Hell, until I got mine I had NO idea the damn thing had 2step launch control. It wasn't until PTuning used it on their Time Attack car, did I realize it was the solution for me. It is the closest to a Standalone that you can get.

Like I said though, part throttle becomes negligible when you see all the capabilities it gives you. And there are ways around tuning part throttle without even having a computer that can override it (i.e. disconnect primary 02).


Not to mention, I was really turned off that you have to FURTHER modify the F/IC just to make it work on the tC. Not something I cared to do, and expected it to be a no hassle free product.
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i don't have problems with my fic. plug and play and vroom vroom. well i have 1 problem thats mentioned in another thread. but the car feels great across the board.... except at idle.
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When I was on the blue box and actually had a tune on it, I did not have this "hunting" problem that you f/ic guys speak of. The thingI was talking about was having to mod it with resistors.

For a minute there, there were trouble threads popping up nearly every week.
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so...greddy eman blue is the closest to a standalone? bout to research...
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Originally Posted by trdtopcat01
so...greddy eman blue is the closest to a standalone? bout to research...
no, the blue has very few features when compared to the ultimate...

ive never had any idle "hunting" issues with my f/ic...
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Originally Posted by trdtopcat01
so...greddy eman blue is the closest to a standalone? bout to research...

No, Emanage Ultimate is the closest to a standalone, not Blue.
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Originally Posted by jsg93085
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so...greddy eman blue is the closest to a standalone? bout to research...
no, the blue has very few features when compared to the ultimate...

ive never had any idle "hunting" issues with my f/ic...
nore have i....
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ok...cool
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My ranking as far as Best to least best (because there is no "worse", just less features).

Hydra > AEM EMS > E-Ultimate > AEM F/IC > E-Blue.

Even though I listed the F/IC before the Blue, I ran the Blue just fine for nearly 3 years and never had a problem from start to finish, unlike some F/IC people have. It's less of a hassle to setup than an F/IC is. If the ranking was listed based on "hassle" of use, then the order would change.
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Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
My ranking as far as Best to least best (because there is no "worse", just less features).

Hydra > AEM EMS > E-Ultimate > AEM F/IC > E-Blue.

Even though I listed the F/IC before the Blue, I ran the Blue just fine for nearly 3 years and never had a problem from start to finish, unlike some F/IC people have. It's less of a hassle to setup than an F/IC is. If the ranking was listed based on "hassle" of use, then the order would change.
to be honest with you its not a big hassle at all...its all about lack of knowledge...you see most people that got the fic assumed all you did was plug it up and run a base map...not many were informed about the the hex file you had to flash the fic with. Most all problems can be traced to lack of knowledge of the fic...even the ultimate needs software updates to run a specific model...its no different for the fic

as far as the two resisters mod was an unfortunate oversite on aem's behalf imho, but now that people know about it, its alot simpler. Even now i think boomslang or aem themselves have addressed this issue...im not reall sure though...but i had heard that boomslang (or equivalent harness maker) now has the resisters already integrated into the harnesses now...of course i cant confirm that as of yet.
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Originally Posted by crush02342002
as far as the two resisters mod was an unfortunate oversite on aem's behalf imho, but now that people know about it, its alot simpler. Even now i think boomslang or aem themselves have addressed this issue...im not reall sure though...but i had heard that boomslang (or equivalent harness maker) now has the resisters already integrated into the harnesses now...of course i cant confirm that as of yet.
boomslang has the resistors in the PnP harness now...
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