AZGuy

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So I want to know which piggyback is the least hassle yet gives you the most bang for a SC setup. I want to avoid things like CEL, removing O2 sensors and such. I just want a simple piggy back that will allow me to get a little more out of my SC but be the least hassle for a daily driver.

Thanks for any input.

equinox2355

Best drive ability will be a standalone (Like HydraEMS or AEM stand alone). Next best from what Ive heard is the AEM F/IC or the Emanage Ulitimate (however I have heard from many that the F/IC works better than the Emanage)

rhythmnsmoke

Emanage Ultimate > F/IC. Since the S/C'er also works off of RPM's, being able to increase them (rpm's that is) will benefit the S/C'er pretty well. Ultimate can do that, F/IC can't.

Not to mention, you find a "I have a problem with my F/IC" threads popping up every week. I haven't used the F/IC (and probably never will), but from all the trouble you have to go through to get it working properly, I would even opt to take a Emanage blue box over it.

But there is no way in hell I would take an F/IC over the Ultimate.

AZGuy

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I was leaning that way but was hesitant because they are out of business now. Greddy ultimate looks to be th way to go.

BuddhasTC

i had the emanage blue and it was wonderful, had no issues while i was s/c'd...at least with the tune

unxpectederror

i don't think with the ultimate that you can tune for partial throttle though.

rhythmnsmoke

That's why you run a pressure sensor. And it's not like..."oh, if I part throttle boost it, I'm going to blow up". I've part throttle boosted this car for 3 or so years. Not a single issue in that department.

However, even if you didn't used the Pressure sensor with the Ultimate it has.....2 step launch control + increase rev ability + increase rpm ability > than part throttle tuning option.

rhythmnsmoke

FYI...GReddy is not out of business. Nor are they even on the way out the door out of business. They filed a particular chapter of bankruptcy. That does not mean they are going out of business.

You can still call Greddy for support.

unxpectederror

you cant do rev/rpm increase on the 07+ so that only leaves launch control...

rhythmnsmoke

I think PTuning will be doing a 2nd gen built motor. If anyone can figure it out its them.

Ultimate is still better nonetbeless. How many F/IC problem threads you see a week. You have to mod it just to even get it to work half way right.

So you got part throttle tuning + launch control vs quirky unit needing modifications + part throttle tuning.

rhythmnsmoke

I think PTuning will be doing a 2nd gen built motor. If anyone can figure it out its them.

Ultimate is still better nonetbeless. How many F/IC problem threads you see a week. You have to mod it just to even get it to work half way right.

So you got part throttle tuning + launch control vs quirky unit needing modifications + part throttle tuning.

unxpectederror

well i think your wrong on that last part
its launch control vs partial throttle tuning

as far as i know ultimate just like blue cant hold a partial throttle tune.

equinox2355

that is correct, it can not hold a partial throttle tune, that requires a standalone for that.

unxpectederror

i thought aem fic could hold a partial tune, no?

equinox2355

Basing it upon this:

I would say that the F/IC is not a good choice.

rozz-tC

With a pressure sensor from greddy you can tune part throttle, Mine is tuned just fine, soon as i start to enter boost, regardless of where my throttle is at, af/rs drop to where i want them. im tuning off boost x rpm

rhythmnsmoke

Wrong? Really, seeing as how I have an Ultimate, and there is a tuning section to tune with Relative PSI (off of boost), using the pressure sensor. Tuning based on boost, meaning you can set the A/F ratio for what you want at 1 PSI, 2 PSI, 3 PSI...etc. That IS part throttle tuning.

rhythmnsmoke

Thank You VERY much Rozz. That is exactly what I was looking at in the Ultimate software the other day. I just got the Pressure sensor (thanks davetC), and started looking at the software again, and switched it to be able to read based on the boost x rpm map. And what do you know.....you can tune based on how much boost pressure the car is seeing and at what load it is in.

And for those that don't know, there is another option called the "Auxiliary Output map". When you open it, it has OFF and ON settings. You can turn a "Closed loop" cell that is labeled as OFF, and turn it ON. So, when the car is in closed loop, and it hits this cell, that you have now designated as being ON, the car is forced into "Open Loop". This should alleviate the over writing of your tune in the closed loop tuning parts of the car. I have not played with it yet, but this option is there.

unxpectederror

wouldn't you need to disable the primary o2 sensor so the ecu doesn't over ride the partial tune?

rhythmnsmoke

From above.



The Primary 02 sensor is an option as well of course.