finally engine has called it quits
05-10-2010 | 01:57 PM
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FIC = Failed Ignition Controller?
Sorry to hear about your bad luck Martin. Not to pour salt here but did you or your tuner measure the EGT after pulling all that timing? -9.5 degrees? If you had detonation-causing hot spots in the combustion chamber already, that might have made things worse. I realize that few people actually install EGT probes but you can get a pretty good idea from the primary O2's thermistor and a OBD scan tool. I'm not too sure about the accuracy of the temps reported but it will show increases and decreases in EGT. I recorded a high EGT of 1750F from the O2 with my first ECU-only setup and it scared me until I recorded the same EGT after going back to stock.
Anyway, I hope the damage is minimal and wish you good luck with the rebuild. Maybe WMI next time?
Sorry to hear about your bad luck Martin. Not to pour salt here but did you or your tuner measure the EGT after pulling all that timing? -9.5 degrees? If you had detonation-causing hot spots in the combustion chamber already, that might have made things worse. I realize that few people actually install EGT probes but you can get a pretty good idea from the primary O2's thermistor and a OBD scan tool. I'm not too sure about the accuracy of the temps reported but it will show increases and decreases in EGT. I recorded a high EGT of 1750F from the O2 with my first ECU-only setup and it scared me until I recorded the same EGT after going back to stock.
Anyway, I hope the damage is minimal and wish you good luck with the rebuild. Maybe WMI next time?
yea idk bout the whole timing thing i really dont care anymore...
damages are minimal just your average piston ring but i will be replacing rods pistons and bearings and installing a fuel system
05-10-2010 | 04:49 PM
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let me get this straight
you drove around untuned for a while
you got tuned and it was detonating and you proceeded to raise boost and beat on your car
you cracked a ring landing and you are blaming it on an ECU that tons of people are using without cracking ring landings
you cracked a ring landing and are going to drive it around for 2 months? Make sure you get a new shortblock as well I feel bad for that cylinder wall
awesome thread
you drove around untuned for a while
you got tuned and it was detonating and you proceeded to raise boost and beat on your car
you cracked a ring landing and you are blaming it on an ECU that tons of people are using without cracking ring landings
you cracked a ring landing and are going to drive it around for 2 months? Make sure you get a new shortblock as well I feel bad for that cylinder wall
awesome thread
05-10-2010 | 05:09 PM
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let me get this straight
you drove around untuned for a while
you got tuned and it was detonating and you proceeded to raise boost and beat on your car
um i never raised the boost level form that of which i was tuned for
you cracked a ring landing and you are blaming it on an ECU that tons of people are using without cracking ring landings
YES im blaming my fic it was un responsive as far at timin retard goes.... it happens learn some
you cracked a ring landing and are going to drive it around for 2 months? Make sure you get a new shortblock as well I feel bad for that cylinder wall
its either a ring land or a ring and i dont really care as the car will literally see 200 miles in 2 months ...
awesome thread
you drove around untuned for a while
you got tuned and it was detonating and you proceeded to raise boost and beat on your car
um i never raised the boost level form that of which i was tuned for
you cracked a ring landing and you are blaming it on an ECU that tons of people are using without cracking ring landings
YES im blaming my fic it was un responsive as far at timin retard goes.... it happens learn some
you cracked a ring landing and are going to drive it around for 2 months? Make sure you get a new shortblock as well I feel bad for that cylinder wall
its either a ring land or a ring and i dont really care as the car will literally see 200 miles in 2 months ...
awesome thread
05-10-2010 | 05:34 PM
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dennis the car will be parked...and driven for nessecities only... and well when i go to basic training ill open a credit card and worry about it then...until then im trying not to think bout it
05-10-2010 | 09:53 PM
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my car is very consistant, no boost spikes and no lean zone, it has always happened every sinc ei went anything above 6 psi i get detonations at 3800-4800 it sounds like little rice crispies popping in my engine bay, my tuner even noticed it and we prceeeded to retard timing there n no help so clearly the fic is failing
FIC = Failed Ignition Controller?
Sorry to hear about your bad luck Martin. Not to pour salt here but did you or your tuner measure the EGT after pulling all that timing? -9.5 degrees? If you had detonation-causing hot spots in the combustion chamber already, that might have made things worse. I realize that few people actually install EGT probes but you can get a pretty good idea from the primary O2's thermistor and a OBD scan tool. I'm not too sure about the accuracy of the temps reported but it will show increases and decreases in EGT. I recorded a high EGT of 1750F from the O2 with my first ECU-only setup and it scared me until I recorded the same EGT after going back to stock.
Anyway, I hope the damage is minimal and wish you good luck with the rebuild. Maybe WMI next time?
Sorry to hear about your bad luck Martin. Not to pour salt here but did you or your tuner measure the EGT after pulling all that timing? -9.5 degrees? If you had detonation-causing hot spots in the combustion chamber already, that might have made things worse. I realize that few people actually install EGT probes but you can get a pretty good idea from the primary O2's thermistor and a OBD scan tool. I'm not too sure about the accuracy of the temps reported but it will show increases and decreases in EGT. I recorded a high EGT of 1750F from the O2 with my first ECU-only setup and it scared me until I recorded the same EGT after going back to stock.
Anyway, I hope the damage is minimal and wish you good luck with the rebuild. Maybe WMI next time?
During tuning you need to consider three pieces of information.
1. Air/Fuel ratio
2. Raw knock values
3. Exhaust Gas Temperature
These three pieces of information will help you make the most power, the safest with the given fuel you are using. There is an article I typed up and included some basic links for more information on tuning with EGT. It's very helpful, you seem to have a pretty good understanding of it. Just know it's ok to get warm.
Just try not to go over 1725*F sustained, that's playing with fire, no pun intended
05-11-2010 | 03:30 AM
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You guys are brutal. How many of you built and installed your own custom turbo kit on a very limited budget when you were 21? We all make mistakes along the way and we learn from them.
AFAIK Cburgl34 only has one car and now it has expensive internal engine damage. A little compassion maybe?
AFAIK Cburgl34 only has one car and now it has expensive internal engine damage. A little compassion maybe?
05-11-2010 | 03:54 AM
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i hope everything gets resolved martin...i know how it feels bro. and atleast someone is kind enough to say some nice words besides me (ScionFred). not everyone is able to afford the nice expensive parts. martins car has came a long way with the little budget he has. good luck bro
05-11-2010 | 04:08 AM
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You guys are brutal. How many of you built and installed your own custom turbo kit on a very limited budget when you were 21? We all make mistakes along the way and we learn from them.
AFAIK Cburgl34 only has one car and now it has expensive internal engine damage. A little compassion maybe?
AFAIK Cburgl34 only has one car and now it has expensive internal engine damage. A little compassion maybe?
i hope everything gets resolved martin...i know how it feels bro. and atleast someone is kind enough to say some nice words besides me (ScionFred). not everyone is able to afford the nice expensive parts. martins car has came a long way with the little budget he has. good luck bro
build consist of..
cp pistons 89mm bore to be on safe side
k1 connecting rods
acl race bearings all around
OEM headgasket
arp studs
ptuning fuel system
60-1 turbo
and well the rest is up to the dyno =]
05-11-2010 | 04:35 AM
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finally engine has called it quits
Originally Posted by cburglb34
thanks bud yes this is my only car, and im 19 not 21 lol
i hope everything gets resolved martin...i know how it feels bro. and atleast someone is kind enough to say some nice words besides me (ScionFred). no
build consist of..
cp pistons 89mm bore to be on safe side
k1 connecting rods
acl race bearings all around
OEM headgasket
arp studs
ptuning fuel system
60-1 turbo
and well the rest is up to the dyno =]
Oh and coryjames link please!!!!!! Lol at Bret your funny I know where your coming from.