Hydra EMS on a Turbonetics kit...
05-20-2007, 05:11 AM
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We both got the wideband upgrade. 2100 for everything with the hydra with wideband.
Well tonight was the first night out having fun with the car. We met up with some tuners here in cincy. A friend of a friend had a 12.2 1/4 mile Evo so we ran him to see how we compared. From a 40 in 2nd gear the Evo nosed out a bit but the rear bumper didnt get in front of us. From a 60 in 3rd we pulled hard on him till 4th and leveled off with about a 1 car lead till 127mph. All in all a fun night. Nothing like shotting firebalss at evo's! muhaha
Thanks everyone for the comments!
Well tonight was the first night out having fun with the car. We met up with some tuners here in cincy. A friend of a friend had a 12.2 1/4 mile Evo so we ran him to see how we compared. From a 40 in 2nd gear the Evo nosed out a bit but the rear bumper didnt get in front of us. From a 60 in 3rd we pulled hard on him till 4th and leveled off with about a 1 car lead till 127mph. All in all a fun night. Nothing like shotting firebalss at evo's! muhaha
Thanks everyone for the comments!
05-20-2007, 05:13 AM
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All I can say is tuning factory tuned this car amazing well. I took it out tonight its so damn smooth. I beat a alot of cars tonight that I would of never beat before. All I can say is go get a hydra/standalone now there amazing!!!!
05-20-2007, 02:13 PM
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Don't feel bad guys. Jackie got beat by an EVO IX MR the other day on the highway. Bear in mind she can walk E46 M3's on the highway in 5th gear but EVO's are much tougher. I guess she needs that new motor in there before she goes after the big turbo EVO's. : )
05-20-2007, 04:36 PM
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This Evo was fast ( I rode in it) but I dont think it had a turbo upgrade. The owner of the Evo claimed to have a head PnP job. 3inch exhaust and tuning. He beat us at his race (40 drop) we got him at ours (60 drop) I would think the cars are somewhat close in the power range as far a HP goes. I think it was the way the cars are gears that decided last night.
The M3 is one car Ive yet to come across. Hopefully soon.
The M3 is one car Ive yet to come across. Hopefully soon.
05-20-2007, 04:47 PM
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You said you got the Hydra with the wideband. Is that a special hydra wideband or did you just use like the AEM wideband and if not the AEM can you use the AEM WB?
05-20-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
You said you got the Hydra with the wideband. Is that a special hydra wideband or did you just use like the AEM wideband and if not the AEM can you use the AEM WB?
Its special for the Hydra. Its for the self tuning mode. www.hydraems.com has all the info.
05-21-2007, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
You said you got the Hydra with the wideband. Is that a special hydra wideband or did you just use like the AEM wideband and if not the AEM can you use the AEM WB?
Its special for the Hydra. Its for the self tuning mode. www.hydraems.com has all the info.
05-21-2007, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by etsnet
You said you got the Hydra with the wideband. Is that a special hydra wideband or did you just use like the AEM wideband and if not the AEM can you use the AEM WB?
Its special for the Hydra. Its for the self tuning mode. www.hydraems.com has all the info.
05-21-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by etsnet
You said you got the Hydra with the wideband. Is that a special hydra wideband or did you just use like the AEM wideband and if not the AEM can you use the AEM WB?
Its special for the Hydra. Its for the self tuning mode. www.hydraems.com has all the info.
05-21-2007, 11:41 PM
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Thanks Bob!!! No problem. Everything looks really good. I wanted to double check the boost settings in the AVCR on the street but Ben had to run so double check those please.
The unichip we will maybe test on Ben's car to see how much it is making prior to installing the Hydra but the standalone is so much safer in terms of timing curve and I was actually running about 12:1-12.2:1 at 7-8 PSI with no problems on your car Bob. On these cars it is excessive timing that makes them detonate more easily than too little fuel especially at lower boost pressures. I ran into that on Jackie's car as well.
The 800cc map I had from Jackie's car actually was pretty darn close to these 630's or 650's you're using. One other thing. Car was running kinda warm. That turbo is working pretty hard at 11 PSI and it is very evident it is made ONLY for stock motors. Another word of not it spools up about the same as Jackie's GT3740. I'll mess with the overlays later on with Ben's car to see some of the differences in the torque chart and see how they stack up. I tuned an STi after you Bob which made 5 cars I tuned in one day. I was a bit loopy after all that time looking at charts and numbers. Crazy
The unichip we will maybe test on Ben's car to see how much it is making prior to installing the Hydra but the standalone is so much safer in terms of timing curve and I was actually running about 12:1-12.2:1 at 7-8 PSI with no problems on your car Bob. On these cars it is excessive timing that makes them detonate more easily than too little fuel especially at lower boost pressures. I ran into that on Jackie's car as well.
The 800cc map I had from Jackie's car actually was pretty darn close to these 630's or 650's you're using. One other thing. Car was running kinda warm. That turbo is working pretty hard at 11 PSI and it is very evident it is made ONLY for stock motors. Another word of not it spools up about the same as Jackie's GT3740. I'll mess with the overlays later on with Ben's car to see some of the differences in the torque chart and see how they stack up. I tuned an STi after you Bob which made 5 cars I tuned in one day. I was a bit loopy after all that time looking at charts and numbers. Crazy
05-22-2007, 03:15 AM
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So is the wideband a gauge like the AEM or what? Will I be able to ride down the street and still know that my AFR is ok? Will I need a WB gauge to view my AFR if this isn't a gauge? I looked at the website but didn't see a pic of the wideband or maybe I did and didn't know what I was looking at.
Sorry for all the question but I'm really interested in getting a standalone and want all the info on the Hydra before I decide between the Hydra and the AEM. Right now price is not a factor cuz the hydra with the WB is as much as the AEM. So I need as much info and results as I can get.
Sorry for all the question but I'm really interested in getting a standalone and want all the info on the Hydra before I decide between the Hydra and the AEM. Right now price is not a factor cuz the hydra with the WB is as much as the AEM. So I need as much info and results as I can get.
05-22-2007, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
I use a AEM wideband to "see" my afr's. The Wideband on the Hdyra is simply a tuning feature. Only the Hydra itself see's the number from its wideband.
05-22-2007, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
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Thanks Bob!!! No problem. Everything looks really good. I wanted to double check the boost settings in the AVCR on the street but Ben had to run so double check those please.
The unichip we will maybe test on Ben's car to see how much it is making prior to installing the Hydra but the standalone is so much safer in terms of timing curve and I was actually running about 12:1-12.2:1 at 7-8 PSI with no problems on your car Bob. On these cars it is excessive timing that makes them detonate more easily than too little fuel especially at lower boost pressures. I ran into that on Jackie's car as well.
The 800cc map I had from Jackie's car actually was pretty darn close to these 630's or 650's you're using. One other thing. Car was running kinda warm. That turbo is working pretty hard at 11 PSI and it is very evident it is made ONLY for stock motors. Another word of not it spools up about the same as Jackie's GT3740. I'll mess with the overlays later on with Ben's car to see some of the differences in the torque chart and see how they stack up. I tuned an STi after you Bob which made 5 cars I tuned in one day. I was a bit loopy after all that time looking at charts and numbers. Crazy
The unichip we will maybe test on Ben's car to see how much it is making prior to installing the Hydra but the standalone is so much safer in terms of timing curve and I was actually running about 12:1-12.2:1 at 7-8 PSI with no problems on your car Bob. On these cars it is excessive timing that makes them detonate more easily than too little fuel especially at lower boost pressures. I ran into that on Jackie's car as well.
The 800cc map I had from Jackie's car actually was pretty darn close to these 630's or 650's you're using. One other thing. Car was running kinda warm. That turbo is working pretty hard at 11 PSI and it is very evident it is made ONLY for stock motors. Another word of not it spools up about the same as Jackie's GT3740. I'll mess with the overlays later on with Ben's car to see some of the differences in the torque chart and see how they stack up. I tuned an STi after you Bob which made 5 cars I tuned in one day. I was a bit loopy after all that time looking at charts and numbers. Crazy
Paul, as for an AF gauge, I'm sure they are working on an output solution for a gauge setup. Nothing yet though. Yes the O2 makes tuning the car MUCH easier and can be done with the datalogging in the ECU which is excellent. Personally I prefer the excel format that Hydra uses on their datalogging to the AEM Pro Logger but I am more numbers oriented. I have done Hydra ECU setups on NA cars and it does still work well. Whether you want to spend that much on a car making 200 WHP I'm not sure but I have done it before.
05-22-2007, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
I use a AEM wideband to "see" my afr's. The Wideband on the Hdyra is simply a tuning feature. Only the Hydra itself see's the number from its wideband.