Hydra EMS on a Turbonetics kit...
05-22-2007, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by etsnet
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I use a AEM wideband to "see" my afr's. The Wideband on the Hdyra is simply a tuning feature. Only the Hydra itself see's the number from its wideband.
05-22-2007, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru
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Thanks Bob!!! No problem. Everything looks really good. I wanted to double check the boost settings in the AVCR on the street but Ben had to run so double check those please.
The unichip we will maybe test on Ben's car to see how much it is making prior to installing the Hydra but the standalone is so much safer in terms of timing curve and I was actually running about 12:1-12.2:1 at 7-8 PSI with no problems on your car Bob. On these cars it is excessive timing that makes them detonate more easily than too little fuel especially at lower boost pressures. I ran into that on Jackie's car as well.
The 800cc map I had from Jackie's car actually was pretty darn close to these 630's or 650's you're using. One other thing. Car was running kinda warm. That turbo is working pretty hard at 11 PSI and it is very evident it is made ONLY for stock motors. Another word of not it spools up about the same as Jackie's GT3740. I'll mess with the overlays later on with Ben's car to see some of the differences in the torque chart and see how they stack up. I tuned an STi after you Bob which made 5 cars I tuned in one day. I was a bit loopy after all that time looking at charts and numbers. Crazy
The unichip we will maybe test on Ben's car to see how much it is making prior to installing the Hydra but the standalone is so much safer in terms of timing curve and I was actually running about 12:1-12.2:1 at 7-8 PSI with no problems on your car Bob. On these cars it is excessive timing that makes them detonate more easily than too little fuel especially at lower boost pressures. I ran into that on Jackie's car as well.
The 800cc map I had from Jackie's car actually was pretty darn close to these 630's or 650's you're using. One other thing. Car was running kinda warm. That turbo is working pretty hard at 11 PSI and it is very evident it is made ONLY for stock motors. Another word of not it spools up about the same as Jackie's GT3740. I'll mess with the overlays later on with Ben's car to see some of the differences in the torque chart and see how they stack up. I tuned an STi after you Bob which made 5 cars I tuned in one day. I was a bit loopy after all that time looking at charts and numbers. Crazy
Paul, as for an AF gauge, I'm sure they are working on an output solution for a gauge setup. Nothing yet though. Yes the O2 makes tuning the car MUCH easier and can be done with the datalogging in the ECU which is excellent. Personally I prefer the excel format that Hydra uses on their datalogging to the AEM Pro Logger but I am more numbers oriented. I have done Hydra ECU setups on NA cars and it does still work well. Whether you want to spend that much on a car making 200 WHP I'm not sure but I have done it before.
05-22-2007, 08:44 PM
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The 3740 is not in the Garrett Catalog. Use the GT37 exhaust side and mate to a GT40 compressor side. Voila GT3740. It is a 75 lb/min compressor wheel by the way. Even with a larger AR ratio the Turbonetics is just not very efficient and would be even laggier. What is the point? I would not use it for anything but a completely stock motor.
05-22-2007, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru
The 3740 is not in the Garrett Catalog. Use the GT37 exhaust side and mate to a GT40 compressor side. Voila GT3740. It is a 75 lb/min compressor wheel by the way. Even with a larger AR ratio the Turbonetics is just not very efficient and would be even laggier. What is the point? I would not use it for anything but a completely stock motor.
05-23-2007, 12:10 PM
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Getting water lines in there is not easy which is one reason we went with the standard bearing cartridge. It still yields excellent results. Miaplaya, the larger compressor wheel just gives us room later on to increase boost. Since it spools up very close to a turbonetics kit anyway, I didn't see much of a problem using it.
05-23-2007, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Guru
Getting water lines in there is not easy which is one reason we went with the standard bearing cartridge. It still yields excellent results. Miaplaya, the larger compressor wheel just gives us room later on to increase boost. Since it spools up very close to a turbonetics kit anyway, I didn't see much of a problem using it.
05-23-2007, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
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Getting water lines in there is not easy which is one reason we went with the standard bearing cartridge. It still yields excellent results. Miaplaya, the larger compressor wheel just gives us room later on to increase boost. Since it spools up very close to a turbonetics kit anyway, I didn't see much of a problem using it.
awww I want one....
05-23-2007, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by Guru
Getting water lines in there is not easy which is one reason we went with the standard bearing cartridge. It still yields excellent results. Miaplaya, the larger compressor wheel just gives us room later on to increase boost. Since it spools up very close to a turbonetics kit anyway, I didn't see much of a problem using it.
awww I want one....
05-23-2007, 03:51 PM
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I'm jealous man, I'm only gonna have the Emanage Blue and I know it's still gonna work, but with a standalone, I think I would be able to achieve more on the ZPI Stage 1 Turbo kit WITH reliability and safety... I think I'll get a standalone in the future, once all my bills are paid!
05-23-2007, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by Guru
Getting water lines in there is not easy which is one reason we went with the standard bearing cartridge. It still yields excellent results. Miaplaya, the larger compressor wheel just gives us room later on to increase boost. Since it spools up very close to a turbonetics kit anyway, I didn't see much of a problem using it.
awww I want one....
Yeah let me know for sure. Any ETA n it?
05-23-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chuynh207
I'm jealous man, I'm only gonna have the Emanage Blue and I know it's still gonna work, but with a standalone, I think I would be able to achieve more on the ZPI Stage 1 Turbo kit WITH reliability and safety... I think I'll get a standalone in the future, once all my bills are paid!
Yeah man. ALOT safer then the Greddy blue. If and when you go stndalone you'll be amazed the differece.
05-24-2007, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Originally Posted by Guru
Getting water lines in there is not easy which is one reason we went with the standard bearing cartridge. It still yields excellent results. Miaplaya, the larger compressor wheel just gives us room later on to increase boost. Since it spools up very close to a turbonetics kit anyway, I didn't see much of a problem using it.
awww I want one....
Yeah let me know for sure. Any ETA n it?
05-25-2007, 11:23 PM
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To anyone watching this thread keep an eye out. We took the tC to the track today and we were VERY impressed with how it did. I'm not going to post the numbers till I get a pic of the time slip which needs to be emailed to me. When I do post the slip keep in mind that the run was done on 18x8 street tires and 93 octane gas. NO DR's or slicks on this run. Hopefully I'll have it up for you guys tonight or tomorrow.
Just kidding Travis!