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Old 06-30-2010 | 03:03 AM
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huh? What did I miss? Sorry not on here as much as I used to be.
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my man...need your help it sounds like
Old 06-30-2010 | 03:21 AM
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Change the rev limits in the settings menu. Both hard and soft up. Are you logging as it hits the rev limiter? Is it cutting fuel? Spark? Send me a log maybe I can take a look at it or post it here. Let me take a look at 2.6 software. I don't think there is additional setting in there but I may be mistaken. I don't see too many 2.6 boxes but have done tech support on them before.
Yeah we have done the soft and hard settings, we did set the rpms to 5k to make sure it was actually working, and it did. We just cant get it to work when going over factory setting. It also seems like its cutting spark, as we are noticing that it appears to be raw fuel coming from the exhaust once it hits that limit, the throttle is not actually closing though.
Old 06-30-2010 | 03:30 AM
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and its not a knock detection? if you hit a knock it will cut on ignition hard..
Old 06-30-2010 | 03:41 AM
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and its not a knock detection? if you hit a knock it will cut on ignition hard..
I dont believe the knock sensor is still there
Old 06-30-2010 | 03:51 AM
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I want to see that log particularly when it cuts. The stock ECU can not cut spark any longer since it doesn't fire the ignition so MUST be the Hydra doing it. Also make sure nothing silly is enabled at that RPM like launch control or a secondary trigger.
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Originally Posted by Guru
I want to see that log particularly when it cuts. The stock ECU can not cut spark any longer since it doesn't fire the ignition so MUST be the Hydra doing it. Also make sure nothing silly is enabled at that RPM like launch control or a secondary trigger.
Going to get you a datalog tomorrow, yeah the guy from Element Tuning mentioned to make sure the Aux2 stuff as well(Anti Lag, Flat Foot Shifting, Launch Control) was not on and causing issues.
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I've seen that problem before. on 2.6 there is also an AC on rev limit (in settings towards the end) but I believe disables at certain TPS threshhold. Check that even though doubt that's it.
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Originally Posted by j3st3r
I dont believe the knock sensor is still there
you are not using a knock sensor? the stock knock retard is no longer there but the hydra knock retard is always active.. if your threshold is too low to it triggers a false knock retard and adds fuel.. check your log. check how many volts you have set at around 6k up.. also secondary maps like guru mentioned, if its for some reason triggered it will switch your map to whatever is on your secondary spark or fuel
Old 06-30-2010 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Guru
I've seen that problem before. on 2.6 there is also an AC on rev limit (in settings towards the end) but I believe disables at certain TPS threshhold. Check that even though doubt that's it.
Yeah I would guess thats the case especially at WOT, but might as well check everything
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It is obviously possible since vinny was able to change it on mine. My redline for now is 7K and it will be at 7.5K in few weeks.

So what did Vinny tell you after he looked up in his laptop ?
Old 06-30-2010 | 05:48 AM
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It is obviously possible since vinny was able to change it on mine. My redline for now is 7K and it will be at 7.5K in few weeks.

So what did Vinny tell you after he looked up in his laptop ?
At that point I had to get Vinny in touch with the tuner since I did not have the laptop/car in front of me. I am hoping tomorrow to hear what came out of it
Old 06-30-2010 | 07:06 PM
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Was the 12.8:1 AFR correct on that screen?
Old 06-30-2010 | 07:12 PM
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Was the 12.8:1 AFR correct on that screen?


Good catch don. Im assuming on that graph there using the 120-160 as 12.0:1 and 16.0:1

If so looks like hes lean most of the way till redline were it tapers..

Can OP clear this up?
Old 06-30-2010 | 07:33 PM
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yeah but looks like the 12.8 is at the start, would still be better to tune it less than 12.5 though.. that lil rise on afr later looks kinda lean though
Old 06-30-2010 | 07:39 PM
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It may be at the start but normally it reads off the X axis. Which means that Everything from a point is read at the same time. The horsepower, torque, boost and AFR at that given point in time are recorded. Which shows 12.8:1, if so he could improve the spool and make this tune way safer at 11.7:1
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So we were told by Andrew that since mine is an 06, the stock ECU would have to be flashed to be able to raise the rev limiter.....can that be right??
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flashed with what? 07 up i believe does different strategy in doing rev limiter cutoff, thats why they dont bounce like 06 below.. and 2.6 was prolly setup to just deal with 07s up.. im so glad i didnt upgrade to 2.6
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Originally Posted by j3st3r
So we were told by Andrew that since mine is an 06, the stock ECU would have to be flashed to be able to raise the rev limiter.....can that be right??
If you have a standalone. Then its not using oem ecu to control the engine so no.

Unless its not a full Standalone the way they have it wired..

Ahh im so glad i got the aem ems from dezod. it has FULL control 4tw! Maybe try to switch to one of there boxes. There no way you can flash our ecu. or you woudlint need the hydra to begin with....
Old 07-01-2010 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by j3st3r
So we were told by Andrew that since mine is an 06, the stock ECU would have to be flashed to be able to raise the rev limiter.....can that be right??

Flashed? I am unaware of ANY reflashed ECU tC anywhere that was done for the sake of raising the revlimiter. Andrew is mis-informed. Also like Ace mentioned, the 07+ models have different parameters/methods to engage fuel cut. We have it easier with the 05-06 models cause ours will not act like the 07+. So, if anything it should be easier to get it working since you have an 06 like me.
Old 07-01-2010 | 03:47 AM
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coming soon for the tc from what i hear. just sayin...


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