I dont believe Turbonetics
09-30-2006, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rrimportracer
Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by Enthusiast
Originally Posted by TheQuietThings
right, youre getting 247whp, add 20 whp because of the exhaust, Thats 267whp, which is about 300bhp
Whats the problem?
Whats the problem?
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/s...products_id=36
and look at jamasco racings tc chris there has 14 psi and about 450whp.
Another thing that determines power with pressure is the size of the turbo, if you have a smaller turbo you can run higher psi and not get the same power as a bigger turbo running smaller psi
I was just trying to prove a point that turbonetics doesnt at all claim 300whp. They claim 244whp on a stock motor.
All tC's can be made to run almost any hp if you havethe money. This is just about how much the Ad's say the can provide.
09-30-2006, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rrimportracer
Originally Posted by yamaha16bw
Originally Posted by Enthusiast
Originally Posted by TheQuietThings
right, youre getting 247whp, add 20 whp because of the exhaust, Thats 267whp, which is about 300bhp
Whats the problem?
Whats the problem?
http://www.zeropointindustries.net/s...products_id=36
and look at jamasco racings tc chris there has 14 psi and about 450whp.
Another thing that determines power with pressure is the size of the turbo, if you have a smaller turbo you can run higher psi and not get the same power as a bigger turbo running smaller psi
Sorry. back to topic
09-30-2006, 07:10 PM
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Wasn't the main confusion about where Turbonetics is getting this "extra" power from nowhere? The Turbonetics kit gets this mystical power from something called, "oxygen." Power isn't boost alone. In fact, power is more CFM than boost.
Case in point, a surefire way of upping the boost but losing power is halfing the size of your torbo intake piping. Let's see a 100% increase in power from that.
Case in point, a surefire way of upping the boost but losing power is halfing the size of your torbo intake piping. Let's see a 100% increase in power from that.
09-30-2006, 07:13 PM
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you are not a happy man are you??? you seemed angry in this thread and the other one going on about your apparent "well read and literate" status
however i must agree with your flagrant use of terminology and the way people throw it around it aggrivates me also... i just liked your word choice
however i must agree with your flagrant use of terminology and the way people throw it around it aggrivates me also... i just liked your word choice
09-30-2006, 07:45 PM
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before opening this thread i saw the exact advertisement banner that enthusiast was talking about. It was a silver tc, that said 160 stock then the tc would drive across the banner and say 300 (whp) and you all are arguing about "whp at the crank" you can not have the same horsepower at the crank as you can at the wheels even without wheels like the monster motor works did with their dyno for the mmw header and they still did not have whp (wheel horse power) confused with bhp (crank horse power that is why that guy doesnt believe turbonetics. a stock tc makes 244 but that banner says 300 whp
09-30-2006, 07:50 PM
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LOL I'm here. I don't see where the confusion is. If you look at the banner it says stock 160HP. Does the Tc make 160 WHP stock? Not a chance. In fact the stock car dynod at 138 WHP stock. With the turbo kit ONLY the car made 244 WHP and 262 ft/lb of tq AT THE WHEELs. If you factor back in drivetrain loss you get 300 BHP which is what the banner is stating. Since all cars come from the factory with BHP numers Turbonetics calculates BHP with the turbo kit to give you a perspective of what your car will do compared to stock in case you don't do a before and after dyno which most people do not do. I think the power production of this kit has been well documented enough on this and other boards. The dyno chart is posted in Modified Mag, this forum, www.turboneticsownersclub.com, and the Turboneticws webpage. The dyno wasn't even done at Turbonetic. In fact the final Dynojet numbers were done at XS Engineering for when Turbo Mag did a TRD vs Turbonetics shootout. As for how it makes its power well you need to know something about compressor efficiency, mass flow rate. You also need to know the same things about the system you are comparing it to. Yes an intercooler will add some power as the compressed air is being cooled. Cooler air is more dense and thus carries more oxygen with it resulting in stronger combustion, which in turn results in more hp. If you are looking for a good resource about turbos and compressor efficiency as well as mass flow rate you might consider picking up a copy of Maximum Boost by Corkey Bell. If you are planning to turbo yur car this book is a must read.
09-30-2006, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by release2063
before opening this thread i saw the exact advertisement banner that enthusiast was talking about. It was a silver tc, that said 160 stock then the tc would drive across the banner and say 300 (whp) and you all are arguing about "whp at the crank" you can not have the same horsepower at the crank as you can at the wheels even without wheels like the monster motor works did with their dyno for the mmw header and they still did not have whp (wheel horse power) confused with bhp (crank horse power that is why that guy doesnt believe turbonetics. a stock tc makes 244 but that banner says 300 whp
09-30-2006, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by engifineer
What really makes the difference is the amount of air the turbo can flow. So, while it may be boosting intake pressure, if the exhaust inlet and outlet cannot flow the volume of air needed, then it will not produce the numbers gained from simply looking at the boost pressure. You have to take into account the fact that the turbo is both producing an intake charge and an exhaust restriction at the same time.
09-30-2006, 08:07 PM
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turbonetics claims 160 stock which we all know is at the crank, but they stated that you can get 300whp with 8 psi i know you can not possably do that, but the banner at one time said that. we know it is only 244whp but why would they leave the misprinted banner on here untill now?
09-30-2006, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by release2063
turbonetics claims 160 stock which we all know is at the crank, but they stated that you can get 300whp with 8 psi i know you can not possably do that, but the banner at one time said that. we know it is only 244whp but why would they leave the misprinted banner on here untill now?
