Long overdue: APR Power In-line ECU Release (Screen shots PG7)
02-12-2010, 02:19 PM
#81
I know this is a stretch but just for fun i thought id ask anyways.
say i get this managment, I tune for an na set up so i run 12afr in open loop...then proceed to install a turbo, will my open loop afrs remain at 12afr. what im trying to get at is this a system that i can set a perticular afr and forget about it?
this is assuming there are no leaks in the system and fuel requirments are met (ie, larger injectors)
say i get this managment, I tune for an na set up so i run 12afr in open loop...then proceed to install a turbo, will my open loop afrs remain at 12afr. what im trying to get at is this a system that i can set a perticular afr and forget about it?
this is assuming there are no leaks in the system and fuel requirments are met (ie, larger injectors)
02-12-2010, 02:22 PM
#82
Very nice!
A few questions though:
1. You stated the factory ecu controls VVTi, so there isn't any user tunability there?
2. Does it have the no-lift to shift feature?
3. Does it have launch control? a.k.a. 2-step?
4. Does the software allow for the end user to change the RPM limit, or do we have to have you do it? You were a little vague on that point.
5. Long shot, but any boost control?? Control boost by gear?
A few questions though:
1. You stated the factory ecu controls VVTi, so there isn't any user tunability there?
2. Does it have the no-lift to shift feature?
3. Does it have launch control? a.k.a. 2-step?
4. Does the software allow for the end user to change the RPM limit, or do we have to have you do it? You were a little vague on that point.
5. Long shot, but any boost control?? Control boost by gear?
2. I have not seen NLS on this option
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Not yet, next software revision.
02-12-2010, 04:41 PM
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02-12-2010, 05:04 PM
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is this ECU very user friendly so that any decent tuner can use it and tune a car, or would it be more beneficial if i were to say buy the ECU and drive up to you (or fly you out) and tune the car?
i guess what i'm saying is, if i got this ECU, would i be good to go taking it it to p-tuning, and it would be just as easy to use as emanage or the f/ic, or is there some familiarity necessary to get used to the interface.
i guess what i'm saying is, if i got this ECU, would i be good to go taking it it to p-tuning, and it would be just as easy to use as emanage or the f/ic, or is there some familiarity necessary to get used to the interface.
02-12-2010, 06:08 PM
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I have a few things to say about this system.
1. In my experience I would liken this to Hondata in that it is very sophisticated and the language used to write the programming is similar to the ECU that is being piggy backed. Making for great compatibility during tuning.
2. The guys that wrote the software are ex Toyota engineers and also wrote the software for TRD and the supercharged ECUs
3. One thing that I cannot stress enough, if your car was tuned on emanage, fic, standalone, this new unit or hopes and dreams. It doesn't matter. If it is tuned properly it will make the same power no matter what.
4. Where this ECU really shines is the way the car is tuned, the ease of use (once you are familiar with the software) the smoothness at which this ECU works. I cannot say enough about how smooth this car was on various boost levels. It felt as smooth as a factory EVO or SRT-4. I would liken it to the SRT-4 just because at this point it's the closest thing you can compare a boosted tC with a great differential with. The car was actually fun. Otherwise I hate driving these things.
5. In my time with the car, you would never know it was on a piggy back. If you didn't know it was on the car nothing about how the car drives and performs would lend a hint that there was anything aftermarket. Anyone who has had to deal with the aggravation of stupid little quirks of a car tuned on a piggy back that is ok at best will really enjoy how this performs. Makes driving a pleasure again rather than a chore.
6. We have dyno sheets at all the power levels that Paul described earlier.
7. Plug in emissions tests are no problem.
I don't know what else to say to give input that hasn't already been said other than tuning is easy and it's flexible. I'm sure there will be more to add on in the future and as updates come out we can post files to update the firmware. I will be pushing for a no lift to shift option so we will see what we can come up with in time. I'm sure it won't be to tough to accomplish. However as in all things there are many logistics to overcome. Time will tell.
1. In my experience I would liken this to Hondata in that it is very sophisticated and the language used to write the programming is similar to the ECU that is being piggy backed. Making for great compatibility during tuning.
2. The guys that wrote the software are ex Toyota engineers and also wrote the software for TRD and the supercharged ECUs
3. One thing that I cannot stress enough, if your car was tuned on emanage, fic, standalone, this new unit or hopes and dreams. It doesn't matter. If it is tuned properly it will make the same power no matter what.
4. Where this ECU really shines is the way the car is tuned, the ease of use (once you are familiar with the software) the smoothness at which this ECU works. I cannot say enough about how smooth this car was on various boost levels. It felt as smooth as a factory EVO or SRT-4. I would liken it to the SRT-4 just because at this point it's the closest thing you can compare a boosted tC with a great differential with. The car was actually fun. Otherwise I hate driving these things.
5. In my time with the car, you would never know it was on a piggy back. If you didn't know it was on the car nothing about how the car drives and performs would lend a hint that there was anything aftermarket. Anyone who has had to deal with the aggravation of stupid little quirks of a car tuned on a piggy back that is ok at best will really enjoy how this performs. Makes driving a pleasure again rather than a chore.
6. We have dyno sheets at all the power levels that Paul described earlier.
7. Plug in emissions tests are no problem.
I don't know what else to say to give input that hasn't already been said other than tuning is easy and it's flexible. I'm sure there will be more to add on in the future and as updates come out we can post files to update the firmware. I will be pushing for a no lift to shift option so we will see what we can come up with in time. I'm sure it won't be to tough to accomplish. However as in all things there are many logistics to overcome. Time will tell.
02-12-2010, 07:21 PM
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Re: Long overdue: APR Power In-line ECU Release (J Hawkins where are you at?)
Dyno sheets? Can you post ten and post the different psi levels? Curious to see the power and torque curve. Also what turbo it's running.
02-13-2010, 02:20 AM
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Mike, I think your problem has to do with being on x64 Win7. I'm running it just fine on Win7 x86. Try running an XP SP3 virtual machine.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx
Depending on your computer, Intel-VI may or may not enabled (which you need to run the virtual machine). You can usually enable it in your bios. If you have a Viao like myself, you have to hack it on by editing the register value on your CMOS.
Looks pretty good from what I see.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/vir.../download.aspx
Depending on your computer, Intel-VI may or may not enabled (which you need to run the virtual machine). You can usually enable it in your bios. If you have a Viao like myself, you have to hack it on by editing the register value on your CMOS.
Looks pretty good from what I see.
02-13-2010, 04:32 AM
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02-15-2010, 02:47 PM
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You CAN go to whatever you want to try to spin this engine to. As stated originally in my review of the item, we rev this test car to 7K, which is above 6500.
02-15-2010, 02:49 PM
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Still playing with the DBW profile changing. It's the same way as ALL other EMS's work with the throttle the same way right now, so I figured if it did NOT work, then it's like all the rest. If it did, well another selling point.
02-15-2010, 03:14 PM
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Ok I see. You just confused me in the first post when you said it was "internally" set to 6500 rpms max. I was thinking that it was Hard set, in that you could not go above thaat, and that there was another version that you could get to go to 7800.
02-15-2010, 03:23 PM
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It's a software setting much like any other unit out there. Honestly ignore that feature about being locked at 6500 because that only applies to other applications being shipped pre tuned from APR (tundra). We have a custom unit that has been internally modified for use with the Scion tC. Because of this any unit shipped from us is fully programmable to the end user. So you get it you enter whatever redline value you want.
02-15-2010, 03:38 PM
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so my plans are to run 1200cc injectors return fuel and dual pumps....and run no wastegate...will this unit compensate? lol im just kidding i dont have the money for that setup but bump for nice unit if i didnt have a working fic id consider