My modest 311whp Supercharger Install (Chart/Vid on Page 8)
#242
Originally Posted by IceNine
I'm not running slicks or drag radials yet, but I will be. And i'm at 4lb of boost well before 4000rpm.
I know what turbo dyno charts look like - and I'm not saying that "superchargers are better than turbos". I'm saying they are both viable forms of forced induction that each have their own set of pros and cons. Like I said, 6 of one, half-dozen of another.
You can discount what I've done, or you can appreciate it. You do appear overly critical about what i've done thus far, and I assure you - there is no reason to be.
I am simply showing that people who have TRD superchargers have options they may not have previously known were there. None of this is "track proven" yet, so just bear with me until I can do so. I would like to do it right and go with a set of drag wheels and radials, but I have to wait until next paycheck since I don't have a company like ZPI giving me free turbos like you do. At least, i hope they are if they are your sponsor.
I know what turbo dyno charts look like - and I'm not saying that "superchargers are better than turbos". I'm saying they are both viable forms of forced induction that each have their own set of pros and cons. Like I said, 6 of one, half-dozen of another.
You can discount what I've done, or you can appreciate it. You do appear overly critical about what i've done thus far, and I assure you - there is no reason to be.
I am simply showing that people who have TRD superchargers have options they may not have previously known were there. None of this is "track proven" yet, so just bear with me until I can do so. I would like to do it right and go with a set of drag wheels and radials, but I have to wait until next paycheck since I don't have a company like ZPI giving me free turbos like you do. At least, i hope they are if they are your sponsor.
Wait, I'm not being overly critical or discounting your achievements. I'm just comparing notes. I think what you have done is kick a$$, and I you. Good job man. I would like to see more of the S/C boys make some good #'s. I just like to have a good debate without stepping on each others toes...
My turbo was free yes, but not because it was given to us. ZPI held the first ever Scion ShootOut, and we were in competition with about 8 other N/A'ed cars to which my fiance out drove JerseyMike's (MikeScion now) friend to take home the victory for us (I love her for every last minute of that win....lol). I rep for ZPI, cause I enjoy them as a company, and they are my friends. My dealings with them are of a personal nature than that of a business/client nature.
They are looking to hold another ShootOut next year, maybe you should come...
#243
Originally Posted by AgentRice
any chance of a vid of it driving on the street?
Originally Posted by krdshrk
Vid of what? He already has the Dyno vid up.
There is a dyno vid. Ditto on the driving on the street vid...get one of the TAC/Speedo cluster to show acceleration. Kinda like I did in my vid of me doing 60-115mph.
#244
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I can probably make that happen.... I'll just need to borrow someone's camcorder. The vid taken at ripp was taken with ripp's in house digicam that records video. My digicam is an SLR, so it doesn't take vids.
I'm sure one of my friends has one though.
I'm sure one of my friends has one though.
#245
Originally Posted by IceNine
I can probably make that happen.... I'll just need to borrow someone's camcorder. The vid taken at ripp was taken with ripp's in house digicam that records video. My digicam is an SLR, so it doesn't take vids.
I'm sure one of my friends has one though.
I'm sure one of my friends has one though.
Well......GET THE LEAD OUT ALREADY!...lol
#249
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Are you running slicks then? Cause tacking at 4k rpm does nothing but spin due to the tC's tQ #'s down low. You couldn't possibly be dumping at 4k rpm, so are you feathering the clutch out from 4k? If your feathering, the rpms are bound to drop down some.
This is a rough sketch of what a dyno from our car would look like layed over your car. But as I said though, dyno charts are overrated.
PS....these are not my actual dyno #'s but only a representation of what the dyno chart looks like coming off of our ZPI turbocharged car.
Dark RED = HP
Dark Blue = TQ
over your 311whp chart
This is a rough sketch of what a dyno from our car would look like layed over your car. But as I said though, dyno charts are overrated.
PS....these are not my actual dyno #'s but only a representation of what the dyno chart looks like coming off of our ZPI turbocharged car.
Dark RED = HP
Dark Blue = TQ
over your 311whp chart
Please start a new thread with your actual dyno graph so we can discuss and ask question there. IceNine has something good going on here so lets not hi jack his thread.
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Originally Posted by Big_Bird
Karl's tC is the shizz! dont underestimate jersey's OST!!
anyone have the dyno vid in a format other than quicktime?
anyone have the dyno vid in a format other than quicktime?
#252
Originally Posted by tCUZZ
Wow i hope you're not blowing smoke up everyone's a$$ because that is an impressive dyno graph. I don't know how you're able to generate that much HP and keep it steady all the way to redline. The torque curve is crazy as well. Most turbo tC usually generate all their torque on the low end of the rpm.
Please start a new thread with your actual dyno graph so we can discuss and ask question there. IceNine has something good going on here so lets not hi jack his thread.
Please start a new thread with your actual dyno graph so we can discuss and ask question there. IceNine has something good going on here so lets not hi jack his thread.
I've been around for some time here on SL now. One thing I don't do is BS people. Thanks for the compliment on the graph by the way..
I did make a thread some time ago by the way. I was just comparing notes as the topic of comparing a 300whp S/C tC to that of what a 300whp T/C tC's graph looks like (at least a ZPI powered one anyway). As someone said, some of the tC cars are linear in power delivery, some others...simply are not.
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Originally Posted by IceNine
Originally Posted by Big_Bird
Karl's tC is the shizz! dont underestimate jersey's OST!!
anyone have the dyno vid in a format other than quicktime?
anyone have the dyno vid in a format other than quicktime?
#257
Re: s/c power
Originally Posted by Freddy
Very nice job,
You made 311 hp at what rpm also how much torque did you monster tc put out and at what rpm.
s/c and meth rule so does s/c and nitrous
Freddy
You made 311 hp at what rpm also how much torque did you monster tc put out and at what rpm.
s/c and meth rule so does s/c and nitrous
Freddy
Looking at the dyno chart posted, it looks have a nice smooth linear line reaching Max HP and Max TQ right at Redline. That's generally how the TRD S/C works.
#258
Originally Posted by IceNine
Originally Posted by kytc
I wonder if my mmw headers are helping my torque compared to your torque with the alphwerks.
Of course, the SC itself hogs a hunk of torque to begin with because of its nature.
Charles said he thought I put down in the 250's for torque, so idk. I should be getting those graphs here soon and I ordered a new Gates belt this weekend so we'll see if I get quicker boost response.
You'll say "oh sweet jesus, I should have been using this from the beginning."
Again, I wouldn't doubt for a minute that you put better tq numbers than I did. While my cams might help a bit, there's only so much you can do with a 4-to-1 design.
I won't do a MMW header tho, short of a full sponsorship And I doubt they could afford me
#259
turbolover
I would like to see IceNice race rhythmsmoke and munch race a stang with a 100mm turbo aganist his new 18psi hairdryer. Rippmods and Dezod are the way to go. When I move up I buy a tc I will buy a turbo from paul Dezod and a tune from rippmods.