but wont it be fun when you do put it to the floor. man.. i just can't wait.

 

After all the power whats the next step to kill wheel hop. and get some dang traction!

 

a nice LSD.... once someone comes out w/ one. and no I don't want one of those Phantom Grip ones.

 

yeah thats good to know but the whole tune and retuning sounds like a pain, and i know of no dynos shops around here, i know there there just havent looked. Would u be seelin pretuned maps in the future? or a version of the kits that comes with one?

 

I was under the assumption that the tuning would be in the controls, not in the putting-together-of-the-parts. So when you purchase the kit, it's not going to start at 215hp like it is now. After they tune it to 250hp or whatever, that's how they will ship it. That's how you will get it. You should be able to install it and get 250hp. Am I right? But hell, 215 is still better then the TRD SC!

 

i don't konw alot about turbos but having it spool period is pressure for the engine isnt it?

i'm just worried that our motors will die down cuz it just spools period when you're at 2k . yes cruising it wont spool, but it'll spool when you're just dirving normally.


i shift at 3000 rpms and it'll spool evrey single time i shift basically. don't you guys think that's a bit too much?

-taek

 

The tuning is in the fuel management charts. The other tuning, dealing with plumbing and design has been done.

215 hp was made with retarded ignition and a very rich mixture and not at peak engine efficiency. The turbo probably makes better power withOUT tuning. Don't worry about only 215 hp because that number was made in conditions used only to test the tC's capabilities and whatnot.

ZPI's turbo actually reaches full boost by 2.5k~ rpm +/- .3k rpm.

Your motor is probably not going to die down just because of some psi. With a turbo on you're probably not going to need to rev up to 3k rpm to shift since you'll be making power when the turbo starts spinning. If you shift at 2.5k rpm, you'll only be under a few psi of boost (like 5-6 lbs more than usual maybe) which isn't too bad. It's still less than the TRD S/C at full boost so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

good point.

 

not sure man the way i thought it was is u get the Emanage or wutever im not sure, but its not tuned or anything, so u gotta take care of that, not really sure tho

 

Joe said before that the kit will ship with a preprogrammed Emanage with a safe tune on it, that is, a little on the rich side.

Without a tune, it'll make much more than 215 whp at 4500 rpm.

The 215 hp came from an under tune to perform some tests, running the car really rich and with really retarded ignition. No street turbo tC, I think, will run with the amount of retardation as the -15 degrees used on that test.

 

We're shipping out CD Roms with pre-tunes for our system, and with a safer tune if you will. It will be for a 91+ octane, on a colder day. You can tune it beyond that to make more power but in the mean time, you don't have to worry about breaking stuff.

The only right way to turn up the boost is with a 3bar map sensor supplied by Greddy. It plugs into the Emanage and allows you to tune by boost, rather than tps. I like this method better but it costs more. I already have the map in my house, and am waiting until I can send out CD ROMs before I switch over. With a Map, you can tune as the boost goes up. So if you turn it up to 10, you still have the right ignition and fuel maps to properly run the motor, without being too rich or too lean.

There's still more tuning and testing to do. We looking into some heatsheilds as well to keep the under hood temps down. I drove the car for about an hour straight and it didn't melt the plastic radiator shroud as suspected, but you can tell it's very hot. We're considering our options. Definately looking forward to Friday. It's been raining here since last Friday and isn't supposed to stop until next Monday .

 

 

All I gotta say Joe is I love how youre building a solid kit, keeping in mind those who arent as well versed in turbo kits and tuning so they can install a kit that potentially wont hurt them hard in the wallet, long run.

Though at the same time leaving some great potential for those of us who plan on adding the tools such as boost controllers, clutch, brakes, LSD, wideband, and some dyno time, etc.

I never liked seeing new or unversed tuners jump on Stage 1/2+ kits and not know what theyre getting themselves into. Youre adding some well deserved grey area for those new to tuning or just want a bit more without dropping the tag "daily driver" from their new car.

Can't wait till friday.

 

Thank you for your comments.

As for Friday, you and me both! I'm off to bed for the night. Working from 11AM to 9PM tomorrow at the other job, then making sure the tC is ready to go for Friday. More to come!

 

I want I want its beutiful

 

What do you mean "...on a colder day"? Does this mean I have to retune it when it's not cold? Cause it gets DAMN hot here in Vegas in the Summer!

 

joe will be hard pressed to hit a hot day now in NH. he said a safer tune will be included too. load that, or go get it tuned for your area. hopefully we can get a database of tunes for emanage for loaded to the site for download so everyone who is using emanage to choose one suitable for them if they dont have a local tuner with a dyno. assuming there is a sollution to be found to counter the meddling toyco ecu.

 

The tune we ship with will be safe for most if not all temps, with only 91 octane at the 8.7psi. I don't reccommend heavy boosting in 110+ degree weather with a basic tune unless you have all the gauges neccessary to monitor the car. Local dyno's will always help to get more safe power out of the car. We give the CD-ROM as a guide so you can at least drive the car in the mean time, and not worry about blowing things up.

 

once all is said and done, and the turbos are shipping, perhaps you could create a "monitoring kit" that can be sold separately. It would have all the appropriate gauges, the pod to hold them, etc. Just an idea.

 

At a minimum (if you want safety and ability to tune) I would recommend: Wideband A/F, Oil Pressure and Boost Gauges. Creative Compacts pillar pod is great, at only $59.

These are my choices (All 2 1/16" to fit pod):

- PLX m250 Wideband A/F ($350)
- Autometer Phantom Mechanical 20psi Boost Gauge ($45)
- Autometer Phantom Electric Oil Pressure Gauge ($60, get electric oil pressure!!!)
- Amber Replacement Lighting for Phantom Gauges ($20)