oldred

i'll give u all a chance to save a life, because if no one tells me what tha f### is wrong with my car i'm gonna place my head insted one of the pistons...

guys, i drive a camry (i know i know why don't i go to the camry forums...etc)

i've made my own stage zero turbo kit, just like the ZPI's one... 5psi, no intercooler, no emanage or fuel system upgrades...etc only a catless exhaust system...

guys i don't believe this
160.52 whp <<<< OH MY GOD!!!!

WHAT THE F### IS WRONG??????????

160whp/5500rpm and 172 tq

i expected something around 205-220 . . .

there's nothing wrong with the clutch, the A/F ratio is around 13.1 to 12.4 (i know it's a little lean but it woudn't waste me 50WHP!!)

all the turbo pipes are similar in position to the other tc kits

so... what's wrong?

<< holding a gun up his nose with a tear hangin' on his eye

davedavetC

iTrader: (4)

something isnt right. check all of your connections (pipes too) im no turbo expert but i think a leak could be the cause of this.

tcengel

What turbo and where did you buy it?

paul_dezod

Tuning related, and hence the need for fuel and engine management

oldred

there's no leaks, the gauge reads 5 psi

oldred

the ZPI kit doesn't need any tuning right? why do they get that awsome 220 whp??

i believe the camry carries the same exact 2AZ-FE engine..

oldred

it's a t3-t4 hybrid

paul_dezod

They DO require tuning, and it does NOT make that type of power. Did you ever notice most of the people who had one ironically ended up having e-manages and injectors? Not ironic at all nor coincedence. You CAN NOT expect to add air without adding fuel and adjusting spark accordingly.

kikcaffine

Check make sure you dont have a VAC leak, are you rocking the stock exhaust still? Any idea what your car dynos STOCK?

rhythmnsmoke

They DID and DO make that power, without any management. Upgrading the spark though is pretty much essential. But why would you stay at only just throwing on a turbo and pipes? It wasn't because people ran into problems, it's because they wanted more. There are dyno sheets on here, and personal experience from people that verified their A/F ratios and power numbers.

But with that said, the camry's Ecu I would imagine would be different for that of the tC (could be wrong).

Simplyscion

i can guess only one thing...your ecu is pulling timing like a ****...get a scan guage or somethin hooked up to that bad boy and see what the timing is @ WOT

paul_dezod

I don't want to turn this into a ____ing match, but you can't expect to make power by just adding compressed air WITHOUT adding fuel and adjusting spark. If you feel otherwise, you need to get some formal tuning training. (please do not take that as a stab; it is merely factual)

The tCs average 18-22 degrees of timing under boost at 8 PSI or less from my observation.

vettereddie

Well, I can say from experience that adding air without adding fuel will yield a gain, but yeah, timing adjustment is critical. My old setup had a greddy supercharger on an xB with stock injectors, went from 86 whp to 114, however I was running a 13.6 A/F ratio at the top end, not in my comfort zone. I added a fuel rail and injectors because duty cycle on stock was at 100%, coulnd not physically richen it up on the top end. With tC injectors, A/F dropped to 11.6 across the board, very safe and reliable but HP also dropped to 108. Looks like I need more boost.

Just adding air will lean out your mix and make power, at least until you detonate your engine. eManage is 400 bucks, less if you can find it used. is it a wide-band installed? if those A/F numbers are correct it isn't running lean, good luck and check with an experienced tuner in your area, or make a trip to visit Paul.

rhythmnsmoke

It's not a ____ing match just passing along information from people who actually had and reported their Stage 0 experiences.

oldred

now i'm using a catless custom made exhaust

i don't back pressure would cause this much loss

oldred

the stock dyno is 138whp at 5600rpm
similar to the tc i believe

oldred

so you're telling me that an e manage will boost me up to that fine 220whp????
<<< finds it a little hard to believe

tcengel

Oh, thought it might be the Turbonator.

oldred

guys what about an apexi and some 440cc injectors???
will that work?

djafropiq

tuning works miracles..