Notices
Scion tC 1G Forced Induction Turbo and supercharger applications...

PTUNING Spec-SS Competition Return-Style Fuel System (pics and pricing)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-22-2009, 06:43 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
10 Year Member

5 Year Member

SL Member
iTrader: (3)
 
RusWolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Back in US
Posts: 2,468
Default

very nice, i'm getting this next month probably.. the black version )
RusWolf is offline  
Old 10-22-2009, 09:39 PM
  #22  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (4)
 
upStyles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 843
Default

looks real good...can't wait to get it ;)
upStyles is offline  
Old 10-23-2009, 12:54 AM
  #23  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Music City Scions

SL Member
iTrader: (1)
 
j3st3r's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 1,548
Default

Looks great Mr.C....more great products from a great company!!
j3st3r is offline  
Old 12-01-2009, 05:14 PM
  #24  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Ronin Scion
SL Member
Premium Member
iTrader: (6)
 
Ace83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: TX
Posts: 11,117
Default

i wonder when the RS/RSII system will be available?
Ace83 is offline  
Old 02-08-2010, 07:51 PM
  #25  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Thread Starter
 
MrC_Ptuning's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 287
Default

Just an FYI. We did not model our fuel rail exactly like the factory rail in terms of the height of the injector boss dimension for many reasons. Our rails are meant for use in a return-style fuel setup. And yes, you can use our rails for an NA, although you're gaining nothing in terms of performance except for a nice billet rail in the engine bay.

In addition, we do not include an aftermarket spacer for the fuel rail since our rail uses the the factory plastic phenonolic spacer--why change something that works so well.

One of the design we incorporated into our rail was increasing the height of the 4 injector boss to raise the bottom of the fuel rail. This serves two purpose. One, it allows us or the customer to use a 180 or 90 degree forged 6AN or 8 AN fitting to the ORB Fitting at the end of the rail for the return line to the FPR without having to grind away at the aluminum tab on the topside of the cylinder head. The second is that raising the rail also allows the use of any of the aftermarket injectors without the bottom of the rail touching the injector clips. This allows for easy removal and installation of the injector clip and proper clearance to fully tighten the rail down. Many of the aftermarket injector clips are much larger than the factory clip and also putting the factory clip on the factory style injectors is extremely difficult due to the depth/thickness of the aftermarket fuel rails. See below for an illustration of the difference in height of the injector boss. And yes, we actually test out of system for fitment and performance before releasing it. You do not need to grind away the aluminum tab on your factory cylinder head to use our fuel rail in a return style setup.

MrC_Ptuning is offline  
Old 02-08-2010, 09:33 PM
  #26  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
ElevationTC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 4,156
Default

Very good to know! I noticed that my golden eagle was very close to the head. and injector clips were tuff to get in there!

This would fix both those issues! I guess its the little things that go unnoticed!
ElevationTC is offline  
Old 02-08-2010, 09:41 PM
  #27  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Scion Evolution
 
mospeedtc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: R-VILLE, MD
Posts: 2,899
Default

Imma need a fuel system soon.... prolly yours

prob gonna switch over to E85.... what Ive researched seems promising and with a station 5 mins away.... why not? LOL
mospeedtc is offline  
Old 02-08-2010, 11:57 PM
  #28  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Music City Scions
Scikotics
SL Member
 
rhythmnsmoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: TN
Posts: 16,747
Default

I read somewhere about one of the competition mentioning being the only brand to include spacers with their fuel rail. I immediately thought to myself..."what's wrong with the factory spacers...lol". Answer...absolutely nothing, so why bother to try and brag about including spacers with your rail?

I'm eagerly waiting on the pricing of the RS spec fuel setup with swirl pot. I'm going to acquire the fuel setup, exhaust and Meth PnP in prep for the turbo system.
rhythmnsmoke is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 12:57 AM
  #29  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
t_urbo_C_harged's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posts: 2,184
Default

Will you ever offer just the fuel rail MrC? I like your fuel setup for sure, but I am thinking of using a different fuel pump or maybe even going twin pumps. I also want to build my own, lol don't ask why.
t_urbo_C_harged is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 01:05 AM
  #30  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
blown_xa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: PTuning
Posts: 1,902
Default

Originally Posted by t_urbo_C_harged
Will you ever offer just the fuel rail MrC? I like your fuel setup for sure, but I am thinking of using a different fuel pump or maybe even going twin pumps. I also want to build my own, lol don't ask why.
Ill let Mr.C answer those questions for you, but just for your information the spec RS system (soon to be released) is already set up for twin pump use.
blown_xa is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 01:08 AM
  #31  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
t_urbo_C_harged's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Blue Springs, MO
Posts: 2,184
Default

I know that, just wasn't too sure if I was going to be autox-ing or doing the time attacks anytime soon and didn't know if I would need the swirl pot, but that sure would be cool and comforting in a way haha.
t_urbo_C_harged is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 01:38 AM
  #32  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SoCal tC Club
SL Member
 
Soulquarian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 841
Default

Waiting for the competition setup. Quick question, using 750cc injectors and the racing setup, how much hp would that potentially make?
Soulquarian is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 01:46 AM
  #33  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
 
m6ar2cel6oTC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Miami
Posts: 4,888
Default Re: PTUNING Spec-SS Competition Return-Style Fuel System (pics and pricing)

Originally Posted by Soulquarian
Waiting for the competition setup. Quick question, using 750cc injectors and the racing setup, how much hp would that potentially make?
You don't make hp off injectors or a fuel system. They just help you have enough fuel for your setup if it's turbo/supercharger or n/a.
m6ar2cel6oTC is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 03:47 PM
  #34  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SoCal tC Club
SL Member
 
Soulquarian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 841
Default

Originally Posted by m6ar2cel6oTC
You don't make hp off injectors or a fuel system. They just help you have enough fuel for your setup if it's turbo/supercharger or n/a.
I know that, but I read somewhere about not needing bigger injectors if you had a return system or something.
Soulquarian is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 04:12 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
Music City Scions
Scikotics
SL Member
 
rhythmnsmoke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: TN
Posts: 16,747
Default

Originally Posted by Soulquarian
I know that, but I read somewhere about not needing bigger injectors if you had a return system or something.

No. Return system can work with any sized injectors. 99.9% of the people needing a Return system, already have larger injectors for their turbo/supercharger setups. But that's not becausecause of the return setup, that's because of the power goals from their F/I application.
rhythmnsmoke is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 04:17 PM
  #36  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Thread Starter
 
MrC_Ptuning's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 287
Default

Originally Posted by Soulquarian
Waiting for the competition setup. Quick question, using 750cc injectors and the racing setup, how much hp would that potentially make?
750cc injectors with our fuel return system and upgraded 255lph HP pump should be able to support 400-450whp at 85% duty cycle at 3 bar base pressure.

MrC
MrC_Ptuning is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 04:25 PM
  #37  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SoCal tC Club
SL Member
 
Soulquarian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 841
Default

Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
No. Return system can work with any sized injectors. 99.9% of the people needing a Return system, already have larger injectors for their turbo/supercharger setups. But that's not becausecause of the return setup, that's because of the power goals from their F/I application.
haha, I knew that to. I'll explain the situation. I'm shooting for a max hp of 750. I currently have 750cc injectors. I wanted to upgrade to 1000cc injectors, but I'm running an Emanage Ultimate until I decided on a standalone and I read that piggybacks have trouble with injectors of that size. I wanted to know if I could still make that same hp goal, or close to it with the competition setup.

Originally Posted by MrC_Ptuning
750cc injectors with our fuel return system and upgraded 255lph HP pump should be able to support 400-450whp at 85% duty cycle at 3 bar base pressure.

MrC
Looks like I'll be getting bigger injectors once I get a standalone then lol.
Soulquarian is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 04:35 PM
  #38  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
iTrader: (2)
 
thendawg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 2,720
Default

Yea i think anyone over 600hp is running like 1000cc inj minimum with a massive feed and return fuel system and at minimum dual intank 255's
thendawg is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 04:41 PM
  #39  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SL Member
Thread Starter
 
MrC_Ptuning's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 287
Default

Originally Posted by Soulquarian
haha, I knew that to. I'll explain the situation. I'm shooting for a max hp of 750. I currently have 750cc injectors. I wanted to upgrade to 1000cc injectors, but I'm running an Emanage Ultimate until I decided on a standalone and I read that piggybacks have trouble with injectors of that size. I wanted to know if I could still make that same hp goal, or close to it with the competition setup.



Looks like I'll be getting bigger injectors once I get a standalone then lol.
750whp? you're going to need like 1200-1400cc injectors and bump up the base pressure from 3 bar to 3.5 bar (54psi) and twin 255lph pumps or a large single Fuelab or aeromotive pump. In addition you'll probably want to run low impedance peak and hold injectors with a standalone like the haltech will be releasing that can drive both high impedance and low impedance injectors, otherwise you're going to have a tough time trying to idle 1200+cc saturated injectors.

But at 400whp, you need to start worrying about drivetrain, like the clutch, tranny and axle.

MrC
MrC_Ptuning is offline  
Old 02-09-2010, 04:58 PM
  #40  
Senior Member
10 Year Member
5 Year Member
SoCal tC Club
SL Member
 
Soulquarian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 841
Default

Originally Posted by MrC_Ptuning
750whp? you're going to need like 1200-1400cc injectors and bump up the base pressure from 3 bar to 3.5 bar (54psi) and twin 255lph pumps or a large single Fuelab or aeromotive pump. In addition you'll probably want to run low impedance peak and hold injectors with a standalone like the haltech will be releasing that can drive both high impedance and low impedance injectors, otherwise you're going to have a tough time trying to idle 1200+cc saturated injectors.

But at 400whp, you need to start worrying about drivetrain, like the clutch, tranny and axle.

MrC
Good stuff. My drivetrain's already ready. Twin Plate Clutch, OS Giken LSD, Built tranny, etc.
Soulquarian is offline  


Quick Reply: PTUNING Spec-SS Competition Return-Style Fuel System (pics and pricing)



All times are GMT. The time now is 05:30 PM.