Simple kit > S/C?
04-23-2008, 04:57 PM
#21
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
S/C with needed parts and upgrades to get 250whp = $6-7k
Simple kit to get 250whp = $4k
Simple kit to get 250whp = $4k
s/c is 2000 for my car, a turbo is 4000 for my car
both system puts down bigger numbers with a nice exhaust
u can get bigger injectors for both system u can get emanage for both system
only difference what u can get is u need header and s pipe plus 9 psi pulley for the s/c
this is like 500 dollars....
u can get 230hp untuned(!!!) with these.. and it would cost 3500 INSTALLED!!!!!!!
turbo? 4 k .. not even installed yet but cost more than the s/c istalled, modded...
plus exhaust.. plus install and tune.. yeah.. another 2 grand. yeah but now now your car putting down 300....
i heard horror stories about turbo and s/c as well....
04-23-2008, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CSOCSO
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
S/C with needed parts and upgrades to get 250whp = $6-7k
Simple kit to get 250whp = $4k
Simple kit to get 250whp = $4k
s/c is 2000 for my car, a turbo is 4000 for my car
both system puts down bigger numbers with a nice exhaust
u can get bigger injectors for both system u can get emanage for both system
only difference what u can get is u need header and s pipe plus 9 psi pulley for the s/c
this is like 500 dollars....
u can get 230hp untuned(!!!) with these.. and it would cost 3500 INSTALLED!!!!!!!
turbo? 4 k .. not even installed yet but cost more than the s/c istalled, modded...
plus exhaust.. plus install and tune.. yeah.. another 2 grand. yeah but now now your car putting down 300....
i heard horror stories about turbo and s/c as well....
Also, I like how the exhaust for the S/C plus pulley was $500, yet the exhaust and tune for the turbo is $2000. Tune is about $400 at a reputable place, full turbo back (don't need since the simple kit comes with the s-pipe) is $900. A simple kit on 8-9 psi with a full 3" turbo-back will put 280-300 to the wheels. So for $4500, you're getting 280whp.
The supercharger is about $4500-5000 if installed at a dealer (needed for warranty). Add on headers, s-pipe, and catback and you're up to about $5300. Add on the pulley and you're up to $5400. Add on fuel management (trd reflash isn't exactly safe for 9 or 12lb pulley) and you're up to $6500. And with all this, you're at about 240-260whp.
04-23-2008, 05:06 PM
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I agree the supercharger is easier to work with, you keep your warranty, you don't have to worry about tuning, but if you do tune you can get pretty big numbers.
My cost was $1900 shipped for the sc and i installed myself.
My cost was $1900 shipped for the sc and i installed myself.
04-23-2008, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Exodus
I dunno where he gets that from because I live in NY and I had to re-registered my car and I didn't have to get an emissions test
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/vehsafe.htm
04-23-2008, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Syldrin
3inch spipe back exhaust would be a waste on a simple kit honestly.
04-23-2008, 11:36 PM
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i dont know when i have to pass emisions but when i do it will be on the motor how hard is it to put on the stock stuff? hell you can usually pass with a turbo on the emisions side if it is tuned nice and the guy driving isnt blowing up the rollers
04-24-2008, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by CSOCSO
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
S/C with needed parts and upgrades to get 250whp = $6-7k
Simple kit to get 250whp = $4k
Simple kit to get 250whp = $4k
s/c is 2000 for my car, a turbo is 4000 for my car
both system puts down bigger numbers with a nice exhaust
u can get bigger injectors for both system u can get emanage for both system
only difference what u can get is u need header and s pipe plus 9 psi pulley for the s/c
this is like 500 dollars....
u can get 230hp untuned(!!!) with these.. and it would cost 3500 INSTALLED!!!!!!!
turbo? 4 k .. not even installed yet but cost more than the s/c istalled, modded...
plus exhaust.. plus install and tune.. yeah.. another 2 grand. yeah but now now your car putting down 300....
i heard horror stories about turbo and s/c as well....
Also, I like how the exhaust for the S/C plus pulley was $500, yet the exhaust and tune for the turbo is $2000. Tune is about $400 at a reputable place, full turbo back (don't need since the simple kit comes with the s-pipe) is $900. A simple kit on 8-9 psi with a full 3" turbo-back will put 280-300 to the wheels. So for $4500, you're getting 280whp.
The supercharger is about $4500-5000 if installed at a dealer (needed for warranty). Add on headers, s-pipe, and catback and you're up to about $5300. Add on the pulley and you're up to $5400. Add on fuel management (trd reflash isn't exactly safe for 9 or 12lb pulley) and you're up to $6500. And with all this, you're at about 240-260whp.
turbo installation and tune plus exhaust wont be less than 1500!
s/c installed 5g?? are u crazy??????????????
the s/c for his car is like.. what.. 3 grand?? the installation plus reflash is 500!!!!!!!!
thats 3500.. not 5 grand!!!for 5 grand u can get the s/c upgraded really nicely!!!! btw if i wiuld have 07-08.. then yeah i would go with turbo.. but some of u guys talkin about LOL prices...
04-24-2008, 01:33 AM
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Ok CSOCSO the Install at a dealer unless you know somebody at the dealer and being as you want not just any dealer to install it will run you upwards of $500 more than likely. But what Carbon is saying is to get the S/C to 240-260 whp it will cost you around 6-7k for header, pully, spipe, exhuast and management. Id go with a water/met kit as well trying to run that much whp on the supercharger and i would want kik's rebuild kit so Im gonna agree with Carbon on the pricing mayeb not so much 4500-5k for the S/C and install but I wouldnt doubt a dealer trying to get it out of you. Just go Simple with management for anything 07up. 3200 aint bad for a full kit witrh management that can make 280up whp easy. With gauges which you can look on the classifieds and get some deals and a tune you shouldnt be spending over 5k total on the turbo kit. Once i get some more debt paid off im buy the simple kit for sure. I just need some real power and not at redline.
04-24-2008, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Syldrin
3inch spipe back exhaust would be a waste on a simple kit honestly.
04-24-2008, 01:58 AM
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installation is 500 for the s/c at the dealership.... btw turbo rulez but for my car to reach 230 hp is much cheaper than the turbo and 270 hp...
yeah.. for a new scion the s/c is waaay too much..
and to reach 230 hp with s/c u dont need to spend that 7k..
yeah.. for a new scion the s/c is waaay too much..
and to reach 230 hp with s/c u dont need to spend that 7k..
04-24-2008, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CSOCSO
installation is 500 for the s/c at the dealership.... btw turbo rulez but for my car to reach 230 hp is much cheaper than the turbo and 270 hp...
yeah.. for a new scion the s/c is waaay too much..
and to reach 230 hp with s/c u dont need to spend that 7k..
yeah.. for a new scion the s/c is waaay too much..
and to reach 230 hp with s/c u dont need to spend that 7k..
04-24-2008, 03:37 AM
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^^^
Might make you smarter Jay.
Anyway, turbo is way more fun. Supercharger maxes the boost at redline, while a turbo maxes the boost 3K to 4.5K depending on the turbo and manifold. I am glad I didn't go with S/C. But, each to their own I suppose.
Might make you smarter Jay.
Anyway, turbo is way more fun. Supercharger maxes the boost at redline, while a turbo maxes the boost 3K to 4.5K depending on the turbo and manifold. I am glad I didn't go with S/C. But, each to their own I suppose.
04-24-2008, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 20tCDude05
^^^
Might make you smarter Jay.
Anyway, turbo is way more fun. Supercharger maxes the boost at redline, while a turbo maxes the boost 3K to 4.5K depending on the turbo and manifold. I am glad I didn't go with S/C. But, each to their own I suppose.
Might make you smarter Jay.
Anyway, turbo is way more fun. Supercharger maxes the boost at redline, while a turbo maxes the boost 3K to 4.5K depending on the turbo and manifold. I am glad I didn't go with S/C. But, each to their own I suppose.
