brett561tc

something about spending $300 every week or so on a tune just doesnt sit right with me. also the fact that the e-manage keeps blowing my coilpacks isnt that much fun either. but hey, do what you feel is best. if you dont want to take the friendly advice of someone who has been down this road, then dont. i wont lose any sleep over it tonight.

rhythmnsmoke

^^At that point, I think I would have taken the initiative to just learn to tune it myself. Every week is a little bit of an exaggeration don't you think?

Joe_Dezod

Honestly he's pretty accurate. The stock ECU will change your eManage tune pretty drastically regardless of how well ti's tuned. When you have more extremes like 15+ psi, an ECU that's constantly fighting another ECU doesn't make much sense anymore. Driveability is key, and the only way to get an OEM feel to how the car should run is to go with an AEM EMS. The FIC is a great unit for those running stock engines because it still works really well. The higher horsepower goals that some have on here really need something more sophisticated and that's where the EMS comes in.

We see power gains and good torque increases even on naturally aspirated cars, including the tC. With 400+ horsepower on tap, I think it's an essential component.

brett561tc

nope. and as for tuning it yourself. i hope you have free acess to a dyno. cause if you are simply refering to a "street tune", then i hope you get alot of $$$ for your 350z.


simply put, the e-manage is a band-aid tuning device that works well ONLY for entry level boost aplications.


as for the original poster. its up to you wich one you do first. it really doesnt matter, because you will need to eventualy do both. just dont listen to theses people on here who have absolutley no point of referance saying that 400whp is just as easy as building the block and you're gold. unless you have a full standalone, you will not be able to take full advantage of your setup, stock or built.

rhythmnsmoke

I'm not sure I follow you. What would my Z have anything to do with tunning my tC?

paul_dezod

I never said it's bulletproof, but control is there. The E-manage WILL NOT control the car enough to have the reliability. Point proven 100 times over!! If you think the $300 e-manage is the said all of engine management systems and has AWESOME control, you either one: live in a plastic bubble, two: are incredibly ignorant and love to argue with me just to hear yourself or three: have ZERO experience in depth with this unit as I do. I hate to bring this point out again, but cmon man. You're like talking to a 3" thick wall.

brett561tc

it was just a little joke about how much money you would be spending on fixing the tc tring to tune it for 400whp+ with an e-manage, on the street, sans dyno.

sorry. its still early for me.

paul_dezod

SPeaking from experience here. You are not the first tC to have the coil pack issue on a high powered 2AZ. Jeff was the first to have this issue and it's due to the way the e-mangle alters the voltage to the coilpacks in an ignition retard mode.

Joe_Dezod

But Paul my emanage gave me like an extra 100whp on an Evo!!! My turbo spools faster too!



(Kidding)

HyPn0TiC

I Agree with people from both sides here but I'm still lost on how installing rods and pistons will cost $2000. I can get all the tools from Toyota(have friends that work for the local dealership) and I already have all of Toyota's manuels for the 2az. I think I'll build my motor first just because the motor I'll be building wont even be in my car. I have it sitting in my garage already completely disassembled.

Joe_Dezod

You're definitely luckier than some then. Some people do not have such access and end up paying top dollar in labor, which can sometimes be more than the parts being installed.

I can see where one could argue for both sides. Some just know how crucial the EMS stuff can be as you approach extremes. As said before, ultimatey you do both, but most start with one. The one we always suggest is the EMS.

If you have those connections I could see how you'd justify spending a lot less to do a big upgrade to the car. Just don't push it much until your engine management is there to take care of it.

rhythmnsmoke

Paul....come on dude:


I remember saying that didn't I.

rhythmnsmoke

Yeah, that joke was a little dry. A little in left field.

brett561tc

i think it should be a this or that case. option #1 will give you the abillity to make more power than option#2. but only for a little while. once the tune starts going to crap, and coilpacks start blowing, you end up spending the money you were saving to get the standalone on getting your car runnig right again.(<----PERSONAL EXPERIANCE) however if you choose to go standalone first. then you can run your stock block setup at its maximum potential, without having to worry about stuff going wrong. all the while you can save up for internals. then when the block is built, you can take full advantage of that setup too.

again, this is just my opinion. you guys are gonna do whatever you want. im just trying to let you learn from my mistakes.

TCFROEZEL

DID you blow your engine with the e-manage ?
you are talking like it was the e-manage FAULT on your engine.

paul_dezod

The e-manage is the culprite of blowing coilpacks for sure.

rhythmnsmoke

In either case, you won't be reaching each options "maximum" potential until both are purchased.

rhythmnsmoke

I guess my question would be then, going from a stock motor to a built one (rods/pistons), what causes the emanage to now start blowing coil packs, when all you changed when it comes to the motor itself, are rods and pistons?

I have not experienced any blown coil packs in the near 2 years I've been running on the blue box. So, if I go built motor, what parameters will now confilict with the Emanage that didn't when the motor was stock, to cause it to screw with the coil packs?

Whocares05050

option # 1 and #2 put together seem to be the best choice to me, lol

etsnet

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Is this coil pack issue with just the blue or ultimate too?