chintastictc

THATS ONLY BCUZ Of the massive amount of work and it has both and didnt make any power but it did LOOK cool and the idea was cool but a roots typ s/c would be more simple and definately do better than the centrifugal

CarbonXe

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It still won't be close to what a turbo can do. Parasitic drain FTL.

chintastictc

ok thats just your educated guess no one will no for sure unless its done...i think it would be a pretty nice project

CarbonXe

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Educated guess? A turbo puts NO load on an engine, a supercharger does. That means that a supercharger is robbing horsepower from the engine at all times. And a Roots has MORE drain than a centrifugal. It's a proven fact that turbos are more efficient than superchargers. It's the reason why the TRD S/C only puts down 220 on 10PSI and an equally sized turbo puts down 300.

chintastictc

true but the FLOW is totally different .....like different turbos have different results....like i said its not proven how the 2azfe will respond to this s/c...so its pointless to argue....point is i think it would be cool

CarbonXe

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I'd rather see the time and effort going into putting a 350 into the tC, rather than a lame Roots S/C.

chintastictc

ok just your preference...like i have mine...350 in a tC would be pretty sweet also...but i wouldnt go as far as say the roots s/c on a tc is lame.

CarbonXe

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It's just another form of boosting that has limits. We already have the TRD S/C and about 10 turbo kits, plus custom stuff...it's all the same.

How about a 350 with a Roots blower? Then it would be ____ing badass. Easy 700WHP.

chintastictc

thats more like it .....have a tc pull some wheelies

chintastictc

btw that had to be the most mature arguement ive ever seen on scionlife!!!!! maturity FTW!!!

CarbonXe

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Stfu _____, i won you lost game over gtfo.

I just had to end the maturity.

chintastictc

LOL i walked into it...but i won because the roots s/c still made its way on a tc

engifineer

turbos DO put a load on the engine. Power in = power out, this is mandated by physics. there is no power made for free. Turbos create backpressure, thus, they take power to create power. The difference is that a turbo is more efficient in turning that used power into a gain, making them a bit better at power production.

However, a roots type blower (unlike the centrifugal units) produces power curve that is closer to linear.. thus, you can eliminate a lot of lag with them. Lets not rule them out since nearly all super high powered setups run them And people need to stop comparing peak power output... more area under the curve will win every time, period.. so a huge turbo producing more power will lose to a setup that may create a little less peak but has more area under the curve. And the latter will be more driveable, especially on a track (you know.. one where you actually turn the wheel ).

But, for the price and street level power, turbos typically are better.

If you are willing to, and can figure out how to stuff a roots blower in the awkward space where our intake resides.. annnd can find one that works well for our app... then a sequential boost setup would be actually useful (Doing it with a centrifugal unit is pretty useless really) since you could run a large turbo and get rid of most of the lag with the blower.

But, in the end, with what is out there you may as well just run a turbo.

chintastictc

nice...now ...someone do it already!!!!

highvoltage1

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There is a company that made one for the new si. It puts out some sweet power too. Its not comptech or jackson. Its like redline or something alone those lines. I will see if I can fidn them then maybe ask them. LOL

highvoltage1

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http://www.redshiftmotorsports.com/R...erchargers.htm

They are expensive. Turbo is just more economical and fesable. But you want another person to ask so hit them up LOL

BZinn1

yeah I saw that same install online as well.It did really good power wise.They also tried one for the 1az motor as well but the computer got in the way and it was not cost effective to build and have to do a complete standalone.Seems turbo is really the way to go with 4 banger motor.Once someone cracks the ECU then the add on power plants will come.

chintastictc

thanks for the input...and thats just a 2.0 we have a 2.4 and our cars psi for psi make more power than civic Si's and tq

B_Real45

Just read the Honda and Miata boards and how much they don't like their JR roots-style superchargers.

engifineer

I know plenty of Miata owners that LOVE theirs. If a maker has poor quality, that has nothing to do with the style. I know a miata running over 300 whp on his and loves every bit of it