nebster

you're a troll

Obike

I'm with nebster, you are a troll. Let's break it down to you.

1) If you read anything I've said, that's what I was talking about. You've just re-typed what I have stated several times in this thread. If you are curious, I can even copy/paste these in a quote for you to understand. Some people have placed the MAF on the charge piping after the BOV in order to have the car run properly in-between shifts when dumping to atmosphere. If you circulate the blow-by gasses (PCV system) into the intake (as it should be rather than slapping a filter onto the PCV) you will either foul the MAF or have to clean it quite frequently.

2) You obviously have no experience with boosted tC's. Several piggyback solutions allow the purchase of a MAP sensor to aid in tuning, and almost all that use a full standalone use a MAP sensor as well. In fact, you can even delete the MAF and setup the car to run purely on the MAP sensor (this would disable the ability to measure intake air temperatures though, so it is useful to have it around just for that purpose). Having the MAF voltage output based on what pressure is seen after the throttlebody is the most ideal way to tune the vehicle when running a piggyback.

Also, let's clarify on some mistakes you have made. If you circulate the BOV/BPV/DV to right before the MAF (meaning that the air will be re-measured before reaching the turbo) the ECU will measure things improperly. If you recirculate, it must go post-MAF.

Just look at any Audi, Porsche, VW, Bentley, Bugatti, Seat, Skoda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Scion, Lexus, Infiniti, Subaru, etc etc etc that recirculates the BOV/BPV/DV and uses a MAF-based system. You'll see what I'm pointing out is accurate.

tekstyle

i think SepaTC is trying to say that a lighter flywheel does get rid of throttle delay, but it doesn't do it directly. kind of like how everyone thinks sugar causes tooth cavities. But in reality, it's the fact that the bacteria in your mouth is being nourished by the sugar allowing it to grow and ferment acids in your mouth, which in turns decalcifies your tooth, weakening the protective enamel making it easier for the bacteria to invade the inside of the tooth. see the analogy?


ok, going back to my b18c1 OBD2a to OBD2b wiring matching madness.

SePaTc

wow, someone has a fragile ego! :D LOL... you're the one who has had to post 8 different times to say the exact same thing over and over again. All i did was cleanup some of your mistakes, inconsistencies and contradictions.


FYI, the STOCK intake system dumps the PCV into the intake tract and there is no danger of fouling or having to clean the MAF because it is so much futher downflow....but i'm sure thats what you MEANT to say. :D

dude, i'm knock going to judge, but all i know, is that just because you work for a company or on a racing team, doesn't mean you know everything...... and even if u do, you're not great at communicating it via posts. Your right, i have been doing a lot of clarifying of your posts, in addition to correcting and supplementing. You're not an auto-God..... get used to it.

SePaTc

actually no, thats not what i'm saying at all. a lighter flywheel will improve the rate at which your rpms go from idle to the given input, say 3500rpms.

a lighter flywheel has nothing to do with shortening the time between the point when you touch the pedal, and the point where the rpms start to climb. Why? Because there is no mechanical link between the pedal and the flywheel. The response time between driver input and throttle response is the same no matter what flywheel u use.

It just FEELS better with a lighter flywheel because A) it takes less energy to rotate the fly (which means the same input will give you greater response) and B) once you've escaped the inertia of idling, the rpms climb much quicker and feel more crip than before.

Replacing a MECHANICAL part will NEVER have any effect on an electrical system. :D

engifineer

To clarify tekstyle..

We will say for the sake of of the conversation that there is a noticeable lag in the throttle caused by an electrical lag. I wont get into arguing that one way or another. I have already posted why a buffer needs to be there and there are varying opinions on how large that delay really is. So we will skip opinions on that part.

So if it is there, your mind is both percieving that as well as the slowness of revs to increase introduced by a heavy flywheel. Take one of those away, and much of what you perceive is gone, which is exactly what those running lightweight flywheels have said they have experienced. If whatever remaining delay is negligible at that point, then you are much happier, the car responds better and the sun is shining

Obike

Okay, so let's look at the area you bolded. Wow. That proves your point if you just read that sentence. BUT WAIT! There's stuff before that sentence! Let me re-post that with the previous sentence bolded as well.

Some people have placed the MAF on the charge piping after the BOV in order to have the car run properly in-between shifts when dumping to atmosphere. If you circulate the blow-by gasses (PCV system) into the intake (as it should be rather than slapping a filter onto the PCV) you will either foul the MAF or have to clean it quite frequently.

It's also in the same paragraph, and in English I'm pretty sure that each paragraph pertains to the same idea. Which in this case is the fact that recirculating the PCV before the MAF is what fouls it out. Before you beat me to it, here's a quote from Wikipedia on paragraphs.

Nice try on the attempt to nitpick my posts. What follows is the diagram I posted earlier in this thread about how it should be setup. This also demonstrates where I said the PCV needed to be post-MAF (aka down stream of the MAF).

Cliff Notes: Reading comprehension is greater than you.

aen

shall we agree that sepatc is a tard?

nebster

things that nebster's been saying for 6 months????


oh ____ this isn't jeopardy

aen

lol.

ye-man. i didn't deny it. just wanted to throw some more wood into the fire.

engifineer

"The ***** mightier" ... "umm that's the pen is mightier".. "suck it trebek"

SePaTc

funny how only the people i've pwnd think i'm a "tard" :D well, i guess i'm the only tard that carried a 3.5 gpa through one of the top prep high schools in the country, and all the way through a four year college bachelors degree..... and probably the only tard who's the assistant manager of his company. haters.... :D

nebster

try carrying a 3.85 through your bachelors program for mechanical engineering then talk to me.

SePaTc

dude, WHO THE F CARES???? I WASN'T TALKING TO YOU, AND I CERTAINLY WASN'T COMPARING MYSELF TO YOU. WHY DO U FEEL THE NEED TO CONSTANTLY COMPARE YOURSELF TO ME????? MAJOR SELF ESTEEM PROBLEM IMO. (AND I WAS A PSYCH DOUBLE MAJOR, SO I SHOULD KNOW....

GET A LIFE KID. YOUR A WHINY SNOT NOSED LITTLE [FEMALE DOG]. I PWND YOU ONCE (ACTUALLY A FEW TIMES) AND EVERY SINCE...... ALL U DO IS FOLLOW ME AROUND IN EVERY THREAD. DO U KNOW HOW SAD THAT MAKES U LOOK???

YOU ARE SO THE STEREOTYPICAL EGO-MANIAC ENGINEERING MAJOR (SEE: ENGIFINEER) WHO THINKS BECAUSE YOUR PARENTS PAID FOR YOU TO GO TO SOME DINKY LITTLE STAR WARS SCHOOL, THAT YOU'RE UP ON A HIGHER LEVEL ABOVE EVERYONE ELSE. YOU MUST HAVE SO MANY ISSUES......

REPORTED TO ADMIN.

nebster

lol you really reported me to an admin when they realize you are worse than anyone else on these boards. I hope you report me because then they'll see how badly you treat people

i wonder what this was.....

SePaTc

nebster, aka. ben you little jewtroll. IT WAS A REPLY TO THIS POST. Douche.

I actually reported about 8 of your "troll" and other flaming posts from the last few days.......

funny, if I'm "so bad".....why am i still here?? hmmmm??? maybe its because the only people who don't like me are the ones with fragile ego's whom i corrected or showed up in a thread.

get a life dude..... or if u want to get banned, just keep on doing what you've been.

nebster

dude do you read have the stuff you post? you flame people way more than anyone does and attack people if they disagree with anything you say. you start wars with people on EVERY THREAD YOU POST

looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll thats pretty much exactly what you are.

SePaTc

rofl. u done yet??? good. now don't post anything else in this thread unless its relevant to throttle response issues in the tc. thanks.

engifineer

Oh... we have to result to comparing GPA's now? My bachelors was completed with a 4.0, my masters with a 3.96. No one paid for my school except the few grants I got, the academic scholarships I EARNED and the 2 - 3 jobs I carried through the whole thing. My mommy and daddy couldnt afford to pay for my college, so I dont know who you think you are talking about there either. Is that supposed to mean a thing on here? No. So what next, we want to compare whos daddy is taller, or whose makes more money? Education credentials are all well and good, but are not a measure of what you really know.

I have yet to see you "pwm" anyone, ever, on any forum you take time to troll on. If you want people to think you are smart (which seems to REALLY be important to you), why not act like an adult and stop with the childish nonsense and ego tripping?

engifineer

reported no one to admin, or it was ignored nebster. He supposedly has reported me before, yet no warnings on it EVER . The mods know all about him I am sure... dont worry about that