IceNine

Yeah, I say "prove it".

It's been shown that the Bosch leaks less boost than the stock BPV.

I haven't seen anything that compares the 007 to the 110.

I'm big on proof. You wanna sell me something, prove it's better in some way.

There's threads here on SL that PROVE certain intakes ROB horsepower on a dyno - but people buy 'em anyway. I'm not one of those people.

20tCDude05

I'm not trying to sound cocky, but there was someone who had the Forge 007 and said it held in better boost than the Bosch 110.

jwaggz82

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there has to be people that have a view on the two ... please speak out.

Jake_tC

forge 007 is the way to go. it's a much better constructed unit in my humble opinion.

the way ice nine wants it, i cannot prove it. im not going to waste money buying a 110 and installing it and then buying a forge; however, i've seen in person a 110 compared to a 007, and can for sure say the forge is a much better unit.

Basstrack17

one benefit to the 110 is it still appears stock under the hood, which is good enough for me ( hmmm, i mean my "friend" )...

Jake_tC

Well, buy a black forge 007, instead of a polished one.

20tCDude05

Yea, it would be a black one. Where could I get one for cheap? And could it fit the new S/C?

IceNine

Yeah, anyone can say that... My point is, back it up with real data.

People will spend money on a product, and simply because they spent that money they will claim it's "better" than something else. People still buy those umnitza or whatever intakes, yet someone proved on a dyno that it caused a LOSS in horsepower on a dyno. It hasn't stopped people from CLAIMING they're better than stock.

Same goes for this 007 vs. 110 business. Unless someone has actually shown PSI #'s on a dyno pull, I call BS. There's dyno sheets here on SL that show the stock 102 BPV teetering at around 4-5lb boost, and the addition of the 110 making it a solid 6lb with the stock pulley.

I see no such numbers on this 007 part, and I really want proof before I part with my money.

PghtC

yeah, I know nothing about the 007, however when I was at the dyno, I ran a max of 5psi on the 102. I swapped out to a 110 to see if there was any difference. Let the motor and s/c cool to the same temp it was when I ran the 102, and saw 7psi at redline and an extra 8HP. Then I swapped the 102 back in for warranty purposes. ~cough~

trdsparks

You're not making a whole lot os sence here. Warranty and a NST pulley do not go hand in hand. What are you more concerned with 200+HP or your warranty? Because you can't have both.


LOL that's funny.


If you're looking for the 250hp mark then the turbo is a better idea IMO. But if you're looking for a daily driver with a little more kick then yeah changing the BPV and pulley would probably be a better idea than the turbo. But I still don't recommend either if you're truly concerned about warranty.

Sorry but I have to add the disclaimer.

IceNine

Oh absolutely. If you have to have 250hp, and don't care about the little niggles and finesse a turbo requries day-to-day, by all means, get a turbo.

I personally don't want to deal with the issues surrounding turbos. At this point, I don't want to swap out my exhaust manifold. I will go cat-back. I don't want to throw CEL's or install O2 simulators. Those are all hassles I don't need.

I'm not hardcore, i've never claimed to BE hardcore, and I will never become hardcore. This is the vehicle I drive to work each and every day And with everything that's done to it thus far, I'm 100% confident it will pass inspection in 49 states without having to flat out lie to the ECU

trdsparks

ditto.

Jake_tC

+2

mattvs

For the comment about the different BPV looking different than stock, it doesn't matter.

Dealer won't do anything to you for replacing the BPV. Hell, the local dealership I'm getting my charger installed it is going to install my Forge for me :p

trdsparks

Until they read the warranty sheet and find out that it will directly effect the warranty on the S/C.

Don't get me wrong I don't see how it could hurt anything but I didn't engineer the thing so that isn't saying much.

mattvs

well if the stock one is defective, ill be damned if i'm keeping it on my car. forge goes in, one way or the other ;)

trdsparks

Oh no doubt. Just giving you a heads up in case they try to pull something funny. If they'll put it in for you you're golden. That makes them 100% responsible.

20tCDude05

Actually, I am going to wait for awhile until the S/C gets broken in and see if there's any problems and then wait for awhile again and if there's no problem, I'm gonna install these parts.