TT or dezod
#81
^^rythm will own you dude.. quit while he only made you look dumb.. he didnt destroy you yet.....
#84
Originally Posted by JrTcs
Originally Posted by SoFloTC
ima laughing my butt off at whoever said those S/C comments.. bro.. i had intake exhaust and pulley and IM AUTO! and a stock s/c manual beat me by 2-3 cars and hes a good driver. thats pathetic. the s.c would honeslty need that tiny butt 14 psi pulley to even come near a tuned 8 psi turbo (that is a good setup). which is usually 270-290 whp.
A supercharger might be constantly building boost, which, they're not necessarily, but the boost is driven up by the crank so obviously boost is directly proportional to crank speed. Only when the boost pulley is going max speed is there max boost and the boost pulley is only going max speed when the crank is going max speed (aka redline.) By then, on a properly sized turbocharger the waste gate will have been sitting open for like, 2 to 3000 RPM. You know, already at maximum desired boost so you let the WG open so you don't build more boost than you want.
To review, a good sized turbocharger will be fully spooling by 3k RPM while the supercharger will be waiting another 3.5~k RPM to hit peak boost. So even if a SC has higher peak boost, a TC will on average be putting more power to the ground.
#86
s/c = ____ bro look on here with so many problems with the s/c why would i waist 3-4 g's on a s/c? turbo is sexy as fuc k put aside the power from turbo or the s/c BOV on a turbo makes all the lady's cream not mentioning the fat intercooler on the front can't wait till january till i order my kit
#89
Originally Posted by JrTcs
lmfao what is turbonetics making at 8.5psi how the f*ck is 9.5 gonna make 300 whp rthymn so 1.5psi is 60 whp lmfao ? where are you getting that?
There's a member here who's brother has the T'netics kit but replaced the Unichip with a Hydra - and makes 310whp at 10psi.
#90
The supercharger has its place. When you're doing a lot of shifting you lose boost. Not too big a deal but when you're battling for the last tenth or hundredth of a second that little bit more consistency with a supercharger can win it for you.
#91
what kit was it that had the intercooler pipeing almost scrapeing the ground? im on s techs so yea...
#92
Dude just dont get anything as yet...
Wait for the Ptuning kit... It'll decimate everything on the market!!!!!!!!
Wait for the Ptuning kit... It'll decimate everything on the market!!!!!!!!
#94
Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
The supercharger has its place. When you're doing a lot of shifting you lose boost. Not too big a deal but when you're battling for the last tenth or hundredth of a second that little bit more consistency with a supercharger can win it for you.
#95
ok when i go boost i live in ft myer's there is a track down here you can brin ur s/c and ill line my tc vs ur's andwe can settle it on the track?
#96
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by JrTcs
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
Originally Posted by JrTcs
How about S/c with 9.5 psi or 12 or 14psi instead of teh turbo? i ahve one for an 07 selling brand new for 2750 shipped to anywhere in the US
It probably would take a 14 PSI S/C'ed tC to keep up with a 9 PSI Turbo'ed tC.
You sir are incorrect on so many levels. Lets start off first by addressing how much power you THINK a 9.5 PSI turbo tC makes. First off on 9.5 PSI a turbo tC would be putting down in the ball park figure of 270-300whp depending on the turbo. But no where NEAR as low as 245whp. When I first turbed my car I dynoed on 7 PSI and put down 250whp/260wtq, and that was on a 16G which is the Smallest turbo found on the tC.
On the second topic about Ice9's 311whp on 12 PSI. Do you know how the S/C'er even works. His 311whp is 311whp at Redline ONLY. A turbo that has 250whp maybe 260whp would run with that 311whp. Why, because turbos (again, depending on the turbine), are not Linear producing applications. If that was 311 Turbo whp, it would not be 311whp at redline. It would be 311whp at like 3,000 - 4,000 RPM. It would hit 311whp before the S/Cer did, and take off on it. That is why it would take a 14 PSI S/C'ed tC to keep up with a 9 or 9.5 PSI tC.
Thirdly is the question of Torque. S/C'er vs Turbo making the same whp the Turbo tC is making Double the amount of Torque, hence another reason why it trounces on a S/Cer.
You need to educate yourself on how the TRD S/Cer works. Cause I've been there and done that.
You want more proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNKaOD86wOE
FYI....the S/C'ed tC in this video later raced my boy's Stage 0 tC that was on 6 PSI. He had 3 people in the car, and Rich with the S/C'ed tC had his girl only. And he lost still.
Consider yourself educated.
im not bashing on his car... I love it but by Ptuning's dyno hes not passing 220WHP max!
Ptuning has had an insanely modded S/C'ed tC come down and tune/ dyno it and it put down 215whp... mind you my turbo tC put down 137whp N/A... and now I'm up to 258whp/ 273wtq! a stock STI (supposed to be 300hp/300tq) put down 221Whp... so what does that put my tC at... 350+ HP by regular dyno???
and if by any chance u do get to that Hp level on the S/C... its not gonna last you a week before the S/C needs rebuilding.
I've discussed the 250+hp S/C topic countless times with Mike (owner, Ptuning- aka MrC on SL) and Its physically impossible for that S/C to make that much HP safely
#97
yea all the super fast 1000 hp indy cars of the late 70's and 80's were running super chargers cause they're the most efficient means of forced induction. (note the sarcasm) turbos blow superchargers out of the water
#98
Originally Posted by JrTcs
Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
The supercharger has its place. When you're doing a lot of shifting you lose boost. Not too big a deal but when you're battling for the last tenth or hundredth of a second that little bit more consistency with a supercharger can win it for you.
SuperChargers break just because they are not 100% reliable for high HP applications.
Turbo's are completely safe and reliable... all it comes down to is how the driver drives it and how the tuning is performed
#99
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
PTuning doesn't mess around. Why do you think I do nothing but suggest the PTuning exhaust to everyone, lol. They use nothing but the best and beat the living crap out of it on the track. Travis and I can vouch for how much they beat the living crap out of their products before they finally start producing them.
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
^^Amen to that.
#100
Originally Posted by scionkidd
Originally Posted by JrTcs
Originally Posted by kungpaosamuraiii
The supercharger has its place. When you're doing a lot of shifting you lose boost. Not too big a deal but when you're battling for the last tenth or hundredth of a second that little bit more consistency with a supercharger can win it for you.
SuperChargers break just because they are not 100% reliable for high HP applications.
Turbo's are completely safe and reliable... all it comes down to is how the driver drives it and how the tuning is performed