Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod

Todd,

You can't speak 100% of quality yet, because you haven't had kits out as long as we have. We’ve sold many kits since 2005, and those all still run well. Your kits have been here for less than 2 years but they're somehow of higher quality? Does that mean they last longer than ours? We have cars with over 60k miles on them on our kits. They continue to run fine. The only failure on a kit with over 60k miles on it was due to an RC Injector failure, which no longer comes with our kits. I believe you still use RC Injectors which requires the end user to cut off their fuel injector clips and wire in their own. Ours are OEM quality Plug and Play injectors, with flow-charts on each injector included. I can't recall the last person that had cracked any of our parts.

We had a couple small QC issues with less than 5 downpipes. It led to a SLIGHT fitment problem. Others have spoken of fitment problems with your kits as well, so I guess we're even there. Our turbo manifolds do not break either. The welds are of the highest quality, and we have the manufacturing down to a science, so every manifold matches the last. We chose a log for reliability on the street, and for a faster spool up. Logs make more torque and give a better mid-range power band. The tubular manifolds are better for top-end where flow starts to get strained (for applications over 300whp).

The next one you say is for best performance for the dollar, rather than best performance. I say it's close and depends on the car and tune. We have more cars over 300whp at the base 8psi than anyone else in the Scion industry. Our bolt on kit on 07+'s makes over 300whp on almost every car it's been bolted on to. The 05+'s have been scattered, and so have yours. We've seen the power bands online, and so have you. I noticed that some owners at less boost still managed more midrange torque than your more expensive setup, so touche there . As far as for the money, the last post of the extreme kit, which I believe costs more, made less power than our base street kit. Your base street kit is selling less than a couple hundred dollars shy of our own. So for bang for the buck, I guess would be in the air.


I'm sorry to attack but honestly some of the stuff on here lately is pretty frustrating. You indiscreetly attack or question every thread we have, but have no problem having over 10 threads a day about your own product. I don't mind competition, or you having as many threads as you want. But when we have a thread, stop asking us what our turbo specs are and what works and what doesn't. Do the R&D yourself, and stop trying to take what we've done to figure out a less expensive angle. I've PM'd you asking to speak via phone, gave you my number, and told you when I was available. I try to be civil so we don't step on each other's toes, yet you refuse to speak professionally about the kits and Scion parts. Our goal is to develop the parts with unique features and benefits, and share resources. It hasn't been to make a kit cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. Yes you keep coming out with less expensive kits, but you're offering kits with no intercooler or EMS? You know about turbos, you should know that offering a turbo kit to a non-turbo'd car requires some type of engine management, and the necessary cooling.

Our kits cost more because we're just as concerned with the end-user's long term reliability as we are with our own kits. We do not cut necessary parts out because we know what it takes to offer a complete package that’s safe for long term use. ALL of our kits are track ready, with the necessary cooling upgrades (radiator for example). We play it safe, and develop things with the proper R&D necessary to provide quality product. We've been doing this for years and I think our kits speak for themselves. We're also the number 1 D17 turbo manufacturer in the industry.

I’m sorry to rant on another poster’s thread. This wasn’t a big enough deal for me or Dezod/Dezod West to post up an individual thread. When I see you say how superior your stuff is, it sent me over the edge. Keep in mind our turn time is less than two weeks on all kits, with shipping time included! Most kits go out within 3 days, depending on turbo choice.

Last but not least, I am not speaking for Paul or the guys from Dezod Motorsports. We work together but do not speak on each other’s behalf. I will leave it up to Paul to speak his own opinion, as it is separate from ours at Dezod West.

Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod

I thought of one other minor detail as well ...

None of our charge pipes have welds on them. They are all 1-piece pipes that are mandrel bent. I think that would be the ultimate in reliability, when you don't have to worry about welds right?

Let's not forget that we pretune our kits as well. Our EMS's are truly PnP, and you can drive it right after you install the kit. No need to go changing jumpers, settings, and the tune here. The tune is only if you wanna get that extra oomph.

Originally Posted by Mr_Meaty

paul...yoru new alluminum has no welds in it? all mandrel bent?...

anyway, we could settle this once and for all if you would just let TurboToyotas represent fully at the dezod west AZ event...

Originally Posted by paul_dezod

The BETA ones have 4 welds total. 1 for MAF, 1 for BOV, 1 for PCV tube and one for a tight radius bend.

They can register for show, no prob. They can register for race, no prob. Not sure what you're referring to.

Originally Posted by SHDWtC

And, its my understanding, some of his kits (SIMPLE) are even being installed by dealers for customers who were waiting on the SCs for their xB2s...being installed by dealer means they are backed by the warranty especially since the dealer is offering the trade-off...NOW THATS IMPRESSIVE.

Originally Posted by SHDWtC

As far as i can see TT is more customizable (pre-order) so it would probably be more difficult to keep that many parts in stock seeing as how almost every kit is different according to what the customer desires. This is of course after hearing EVERY option possible and hearing an IMMENSE amount of advice to help choose the right components to make the customer the most happy.

Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke

Is that really true? what dealership is doing it?

Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke

Is that really true? what dealership is doing it?

Originally Posted by Mightygnu

Just to play devils advocate, you can fully customize a Dezod kit as well.

Choice of Engine Management
Choice of Turbo Size
Choice of SS or Aluminum Intercooler
Choice of Intercooler Size
Choice of Injectors Size be it 550 or larger

The list goes on and on, its all about what the user wants. I talked hours, no probably Days with Paul_Dezod on what I wanted when I ordered my kit. You can customize any kit, just have to pony up the dollar bills!

Originally Posted by brett561tc

:D

Originally Posted by Joe_Dezod

The kit with a catalytic converter will be discontinued though. Almost no one buys that kit.