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Old 08-25-2006 | 10:35 PM
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I'm looking to get an amp and sub and enclosure to replace some old ones in my tC. I was thinking of getting a Elemental Designs NINe.1 and a Alpine Type-X 1042D Dual Voice Coil @ 4Ohm.

Based on this configuration if I understand properly when wired in parallel would result in a final impedance of 2Ohm's which with the NINe.1 would be about 900W RMS. That would only be 100W below the maximum RMS wattage for this sub.

I am pretty sure I want this amp as the price to performance is great.. But the sub on the other hand I am open to suggestions.. Not really looking to spend a lot more on the sub but if anyone has a better suggestion I would love to hear it. Perhaps even including a different amp.

I also need to determine what I'm going to do for an enclosure.. I ultimately want to try my hand at fiberglassing an enclosure myself, but for now, if anyone has suggestions I would appreciate it.

Another thing I would wonder is if I need to have a Capacitor in this setup.

Specs on the Subwoofer are as follows:
SPECIFICATIONS

Power Handling
• Power Handling Capacity (Peak) : 3000W
• Power Handling Capacity (RMS) : 1000W
General
• Diaphragm Material : Carbon Fiber/Aluminum Honeycomb/Kevlar Reinforced Pulp
• Magnetic Weight : 124oz.
• Mounting Depth (top mount) : 218 mm (8.6")
• Mounting Diameter (top mount) : 231 mm (9.1")
• Recommended Box Types : Sealed/Vented/Bandpass
• Recommended Sealed Box Volume : 0.5 - 1.0 cu. ft.
• Spider Material : Nomex®
• Voice Coil Diameter : 75 mm (3")
Thiel Small Parameters
• Coil Height (Hvc) : 48.1mm
• Cone Area (Sd) : 360sq. cm
• D.C.Coil Resistance (Re) : 3.6ohm + 3.6ohm
• Electrical Q (Qes) : 0.67
• Equivalent Suspension Stiffness (Vas) : 17 liters(0.6cu.ft.)
• Free Air Resonance (Fs) : 29Hz
• Frequency Response : 24Hz - 200Hz
• Gap Height (Hag) : 10mm
• Impedance (Nominal) : 4ohm + 4ohm
• Linear Excursion (X linear) : 19.1mm
• Maximum Excursion (X peak) : 22mm
• Mechanical Excursion (Peak-to-Peak) : 75mm
• Mechanical Q (Qms) : 9.72
• Sensitivity : 81 dB/W/M
• Total Loudspeaker Q (Qts) : 0.63
Specifications on the Amp are as follows:
Amplifier Specifications

1200 x 1 @1Ohm
900 x 1 @2Ohm
450 x 1 @4Ohm
Height : 2.25"
Width : 9.85"
Length : 14.70"


Detailed Amplifier Specifications

Signal to Noise Ratio -95dBAdBA
Variable Input Sensitivity 150 mVolt - 7.0V
Remote Variable Input Sensitivity No
Variable Low Pass X-Over 40-240 @12dB
Current & Thermal Protection Yes
Remote Bass Equalization Yes
Variable Phase Control Yes
Master / Slave Option Yes
Efficiency 64%
Variable SubSonic Filter Yes
Fuse(s) 4 x 30
Max Current Draw 130 Amps
Damping Factor 300
Warranty 3 Years
Thank you in advance for any help =)
Old 08-25-2006 | 11:54 PM
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no u don't need a capacitor but i WOULD recommend going with an ed sub. they're subs are awesome and you can get 2 for the price of the type x
Old 08-26-2006 | 12:59 AM
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Well I'm only paying around $200 for the Type-X on E-bay shipped.. I like the reputation ED has built, but I have never heard their subs. Would a single ED 10" sub compare to a Type-X?
Old 08-26-2006 | 06:04 AM
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no not to a 12 type x.

thats a good deal but i would never buy audio off of ebay.

thats just me tho.
Old 08-26-2006 | 07:34 AM
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THe amp you listed runs at 1 ohm. Get a dual 2 ohm sub and you can run it at 1 ohm. 1200 watts from that amp then..little more power
Old 08-26-2006 | 07:51 AM
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the type-x is an awesome sub. I've been wanting to throw one in one of harmonic_tc's stealth boxes for a couple of months now. Set it up with a jbl bp1200.1 and call it a day.

great sound quality, yet it can still get loud. a great mix of features.
Old 08-26-2006 | 10:41 AM
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Well I'm looking at a 10" Type-X. Would that fit into Harmonic's box Neothin? I thought it might be too deep.

Also, what sub has a 2Ohm DVC that could be run at 1Ohm and handle 1200 wats RMS? I think even the JL Audio 10W7 is a 3Ohm DVC and would be a final load of 1.5Ohm's which should be about 1050Watts? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Would the 10W7 be a worse choice because it can only handle 500W RMS?
Old 08-26-2006 | 06:10 PM
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The type-x is a great choice. It's got an amazingly defined bottom end and is very sealed-enclosure friendly. Since the type-x is only available as a dual 4ohm, you might want to consider another amp that would give you around 1000w at 2ohms. An Alpine MRD-M1005 would be a nice fit and to me it has better interface than anything eD has to offer at the moment.
Old 08-27-2006 | 12:15 AM
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Well that Alpine amp can be had on e-bay for about the same as the NINe.1 but I'd have to pay for shipping. How do the two compare?

I took my Digital Voltage Meter out to my car and tested the 12v rail and it was making 13.47V DC when it's on at the battery. Will that be enough power to qualify for the 1000W on the Alpine amp or will it be somewhere inbetween 12V and 14.4V power specs?

What about the ED NINe.1.. That is rated at 900W @2Ohm's with 12.5V input. Would that make even a little more power at 13.47 than 900W?

Sorry I'm so full of questions here :p Thanks for any help!

Here are the specs for the Alpine MRD M1005 if anyone wants to see.
SPECIFICATIONS

RMS Power (at 12V,20Hz-200Hz)

* • Per channel into 2 ohms : 700W x 1
* • Per channel into 4 ohms : 500W x 1

RMS Power (at 14.4V,20Hz-200Hz)

* • Per channel into 2 ohms : 1000W x 1 (1% THD)

Bass Engine®

* • Crossover Type : 24dB/Octave Slope - Digital
* • Low Pass Crossover Frequency (Selectable) : 30Hz - 200Hz (1/12 oct. Steps)
* • Subsonic Filter Range : 15Hz - 50Hz (5Hz Steps) or OFF, 24dB/octave Slope
* • Subwoofer Phase Control : Normal (0°) or Reverse (180°)

General-Amplifiers

* • Frequency Reponse : 10Hz-500Hz (+0, -1dB)
* • Heat Sink w/Cover (WxHxD)in : 13" x 2-5/16" x 8-11/16"
* • Heat Sink w/Cover (WxHxD)mm : 330mm x 60mm x 220mm
* • Input Impedance : 100k ohm
* • Input Sensitivity (for rated power) : 0.1V to 8.0V
* • Signal to Noise (S/N) : 90dBA (referenced to rated power)
* • Speaker Impedance : 4 or 2 ohms (Mono)
* • Weight (lbs) : 5.0kg.
Old 08-27-2006 | 12:30 AM
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Well, the good part about the Alpine amp is that they tend to underrate the actual output of their amps. At 13.4v you should be seeing around 1000 watts.
Old 08-27-2006 | 04:43 PM
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yes you should get a sub and can run a 1 ohm load it will be better
Old 08-27-2006 | 05:58 PM
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If I got two subs that were 4Ohm DVC and wired them both in parallel it would give me a final impedance of 1Ohm right?

The ED Amp I was told in the other thread is underrated and puts out about 1350W at 1Ohm.. That would be 675W to each sub. Would that underpower these subs too much?

Edit: i am a gewd spellar!
Old 08-28-2006 | 04:13 PM
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If you're looking at the 9.1, I'd suggest going ahead with the 16Ov.2 D2 and giving it the 1200x1@1ohm with that amp... the eD subs are way underrated... most of the Ov.2 line will handle 1000+ watts and love it. BUT, you'll need to have gains set properly and have everything installed correctly as well as being able to know when something is going wrong..
Old 08-28-2006 | 04:25 PM
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ED makes some amazing products for the money, but they will not compare to the type X. That is a fiarly high end subwoofer. ED is nice but not high end. But ED is much more cost efficient.
High end or affordale. You can have one or the other, but VERY rarely both!
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The Ov line definitely IS comparable to many upper level subs... from alot of comments, the OV.2 is comparable with the W6 line from JL... but with the pricepoint it's at, it's beats out the JL 10 to 1 IMO...
Old 08-28-2006 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Neothin
the type-x is an awesome sub. I've been wanting to throw one in one of harmonic_tc's stealth boxes for a couple of months now. Set it up with a jbl bp1200.1 and call it a day.

great sound quality, yet it can still get loud. a great mix of features.
well what are you waiting for???! hehe
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