im keeping my tc, especially since its been paid off for awhile now, but i am very seriously looking to get one....cant wait to test drive one.....

 

You may get more options and power with the 370z, but you're getting a heavier car, in a high insurance rate group.

Remember, this car is made to recapture what made the Corolla/Trueno/AE86 so much of an awesome car to drive. A decent power plant, with a insanely balanced suspension, and in a light car that is marketable to more than just teenagers. Except now you get all that with the awesome sound of subi motor. Not to mention the fact that they took the original designed suspension off the car, and retuned it because they weren't happy with how it was performing.

Yes the wheels are terrible, and if they went with "prius" tires it was probably so they could meet the Governments new fuel standards. Giving them that extra bit of economy, with out having to re-tune the engine. But I think they know selling this under the Scion badge not only revamps the Scion line (which thanks to the recent xB's, and iQ's), but may push people into upgrading to whatever 5axis is whoring out for the wheel choice.

As far as marketing towards pleasing both sides, I think it's smart. You get the people on the base/spec side having more standard equipment than they were willing to settle on. As for the ones who want more, they can either spend more on another car and NOT be able to upgrade it as much/how they really want, OR they get the FRS/BRZ and can make it their own. Which is the Scion way after all.

This is probably going to be a car you have to drive, to really decide on. Yes it looks good, but I feel once you give it a spin, that says sold/pass.

The only reason I am not wanting one (at the moment) is because I can have just as much fun in my used tc, as I can in a new frs/brz. The appeal for a nearly 30K price tag isn't there for me. I figure for that price, I can find a 2007-08 Porsche Cayman... And then REALLY have some fun!

 

They are not "prius tires"
They are a summer touring tire that just happen to be on a high spec prius that is only available in japan, as well as several other models that are NOT pruis.

 

Saw a red, black, and a white one today....I think its a step in the right direction but I am not biting.

 

FYI. The choice in Bridgestone tires from Toyota is also the same one they use on the F50 Ferrari.... So you can take that for what it's worth....

 

Ahhh Spicy McHaggiz, no thread on the forums is complete without your eloquent wisdom....and I love it! It wouldn't be the same without you.

No I'm not in the marketing department for the car, but Ive seen the inside and outside of one up close, and I know what you are getting in the car. Also, Ive driven a friend of mine's 370z on numerous occasions. Like I was saying before though, it's very well done, but there is no way you can say that it has what it takes to be $3k short of the 370z price range. Anyone who has been around cars (yourself included) should be able to feel a new car out and see if it justifies the price. Example: you wouldnt pay $27k for a new TC would you? No, because you can size it up, see that its a nice car, but it just doesn't have the "right stuff" to justify that price. That's the crux of my argument here, the FRS is an awesome vehicle, very balanced, well engineered, and a huge improvement over the TC from a performance standpoint, but what you can charge for it is relative to what else is available on the market. It's not $9,000 better than a new TC, and it's not good enough to be a mere $3,000 short of a 370z

 

......And my comment on the Prius tires is a reiteration of something that both Import Tuner and Super Street have mentioned in their initial test drives of the FRS.....that the tire compound is the same soft gas-saving all season eco tire that they use on the Prius and to really maximize performance on the car you will need to use a stickier, higher performance tire, and preferably better, wider wheels as well.

 

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The "Prius" tires you speak of were chosen to make the car handle as balanced as it was designed... id leave it up to the engineers to make the decisions on whats right for their product since all im seeing is nonsense

 

The tires were chosen to help give it good fuel economy and remain comfortable in all season conditions. "Balance" as you define it, is not one in the same as high performance.
A few people seem to want to argue against my posts as though I'm coming down or speaking negatively about the FRS. I'm not, I think it's great, I'd love to have one.
I also agree that the car is very well "balanced." In fact, that's what I'm disappointed in, the car is too "balance" oriented and not enough high performance oriented, at least for the money.

 

So the 370z starts at 32,280
And the FRS starts at 24,930
and the TC starts at 19,305
So $7,350 difference between the 370 and frs
And $5,625 difference between the tc and frs
Just to get your facts straight

The frs interior is leaps and bounds beyond the the tc interior. It feels and looks much nicer and higher quality. As far as the 370z, it's far out of the price range and a different car. Economy is not as good. It's not built to be the same car. I personally would rather have a 370z but there is a large price difference. Just wanted to put the facts out. All the prices are from the company website.

 

i need someone's opinions.
i have a 2012 scion tc which i just got a few months ago, should i trade for the FRS? i have not paid TOO much of the TC yet. and it has 5k miles. would the dealer rip me off for this trade? or would it work out good? i know i'll lose money in the trade but i feel like it'll be worth it!

 

Nope, if I got one for free I'll drive it, but to finance one no.

 

I dont think there is anything special about the FRS especially for the price tag. Drove my buddies and wasnt impressed. I just dont think it lived up to all the hype. Either way I'll be trading my tC in in spring for a Camaro SS. Done with imports (for now)

 

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

I like the 2014 BRZ STi, search it ;)

 

I agree with you 100%! and besides, at $25k base, you can get a used evo or sti at that price.....

i fully see the justification for having the tc in scions product line but the fr-s to me is not so much significantly different than the tc to warrant the ~$6,000 price difference....

i dig the look of the frs but i dont know how the sales figures will be due to the existing competitors and the whole slew of used cars that you can buy that exceed it in performance for about the same price....

 

of course most cars on the street are going to feel the same, this car really shines when pushed to the limit and at the track. The balance is perfect, however its not something you will feel everyday driving in traffic at 30mph.

Yes, your tC might be faster in the quarter mile and it might handle well, but its going to be extremely hard to match the balance, feel, and feedback of the FR-S/BRZ.

 

Across the board (FR-S, BRZ, GT-86, 86) I'd bet the numbers are just fine especially if you look at what's going on in the aftermarket sector. There hasn't been this much support for a new car, in such a short time frame, since the R35 was released.

 

saw an frs heavily modified last week at a meet, it sure made me want one, but i only owe like $1500 on my car so maybe once im done paying my tc off.