Yeah this was a other tC. The pics are from a guy whos ABS locked his rear wheels & sent him spinning into I think it was a tree. The pic was just to show that the stock wheels are not that strong.

 

if I remember correctly, the car pictured spun into a tree sideways at about 30-40mph

 

hmmm, well I am not an auto expert and don't know how they make the wheel/rim...that is why I sought two second opinions. Toyota also agrees now that the rim is defective in the way it was casted[/b]. Probably is even worse if the rims are casted with defects...more people may be affected. To the novice it looks like there is a weld seam on the rim itself.

 

With something this serious why hasn't Scion issued a TSB or even a recall especially since Toyota/Scion has "verified" a rim defect?

Very curious......

Kevin

 

You guys can be skeptics, that's fine. You don't know me, I don't own a Scion, I don't post on here much. I just thought that some of you might like to know what happened. I'm definately not trying to discourage anyone from buying a tC, or owning one, just making them aware of some of the possible problems. It sounds like other people have had some close calls with the rims / tires / whatnot, so it's something to keep an eye out for. No more, no less...

I haven't talked to my buddy in a week or so, i've been really busy with school starting and work. I'll be giving him a call later tonite to get an update, I'll post anything that I hear.

 

Toyota should retrieve the "black box" and study the parameters prior to the accident. I hope this thread does not become a " he said she said" hype.

1manila

 

wheres c.gypsy to say "i told you so" ?
if these things keep happening im gonna have to apoligize to her as well as a good majority of tC'ers on this board lol

 

i am friends with the person that flipped his car and saw pics. he is very lucky he lived and thank god he was wearing a seat belt. he has plenty of witnesses as to prove he was driving withing the speed limits. its hard to say whether the wheel cracked or if the tire popped and the action from hitting the curb damaged the wheels. needless to say, after talking to his insurance company and to toyota/scion, he was told they do indeed know there is a problem with the wheels.. i don't think they will fess up to it anytime soon.

 

oh, and so it was not the infamous ABS problem, it was actually rim or TIRE problem.
Funny part is that whenever we talk more about it, it ends up like quite an possible solution..tire popping and driver losing control.

But that does sound good on the forums, lets call it an manfacturing defect and lets claim that "Toyota knows about it", in fact maybe casted rim was welded incorrectly?! Or maybe the aluminium rim should be made of titanium not partial brake when it gets hit by the force that bends the frame of the car.

In fact, your friend would loose control much easier when his tire blows out and he brakes heavly (you should not brake actually when your tire blows, it will actually do more damage). Saying that rim possibly broke by itself and not big azz tree that tore down half of the car, and was partially hit by the rim, is just....bling bling.

 

could i get a case number?

ask your friend, if he can get Everyone here the case number, and names of people he delt with threw Scion, so that i can call and talk to somone, to make sure this problem is worked out BEFORE i make my purchase.

IF this is a Rim issue, id like to talk to somone, Even if they blow me off.

it would make it much easier with a name, or case number,

jay>

p.s

as i said before, its VERY VERY easy to flip a car, when the tire goes out, esp if your on a highway doing 65-75mph> sometimes it scares people, and there First reaction is to GRAB the wheel, and yank it to hard to one side, Causing the Car to Roll.

i have been in a rollover accident in 96" because someone Reacted the wrong way.
but how does one react when your doing 75mph and your tire goes?

most people will say "keep the wheel as steady as u can"

correect me if im wrong?

:?:

 

Why do people automatically blame the car in any incident such as this? Sure, new cars are unpredictable, but so is the environment you are driving in - and sometimes you can't always pick up that that is the case.

Was there any investigation started as to the area it happened in along with the car itself? Or is that part of the whole? Not saying it isn't the car here btw people - but to rule out outside factors would be like saying Bush is entirely responsible for the economic downturn and not investigating the many other factors that play into the economy.

 

I'm really not going to harass my friend for his case number and such. As mentioned earlier, i was simply making people aware of what happened. He's dealing with alot of stuff right now, he doesn't need naysayers calling him out on his "story".

And i was in a rollover accident due to a tire blowout on December 31st, 2000 at 11:45pm. Nothing like standing on the side of the road with a flipped and totaled car in a raveen next to you, and seeing fireworks off in the distance when the clock strikes 12. Luckily, the cop was nice enough to let us know that it WAS in fact that time... "oh yeah guys, happy new years. You're lucky to be alive".

So if you were looking for a cookie, i don't have one for you.

 

How come everytime one of these stories comes up it's always by someone who just joined and it was their first post? Amazing! Take everything you see on the internet with a grain of salt.

My favorite part was the Toyota rep who said they had other reports of this. You really think they would tell you that?

 

a cookie no, a ____en case number yea.

No case number = NOT REAL

 

Yeah, I have thought the same thing. I think some are creating multiple profiles so they can bash the tC and then people would say that more than one have had that certain complaint. If I am correct, then certain people must have miserable lives to have to do things like this.

Kevin

 

It would be nice if we had enough mods to make joining competitive, and they can do ip checks before people sign up for the first time.

 

there's not alot mods can do in many circumstances. ip's are NOT really analogous to "your home address on the net". checking ip's is actually rarely effective.

 

I still call BS on this. Right, so he was just driving along minding his own business on local streets when suddenly his wheels explode spinning him completely around across multiple lanes only to then still have enough to flip him over twice. I see.

 

haha, i know right?

_____ must of been doing atleast 75, for this to happen.

and things like this are tipicaly Driver Error

learn how to Drive,

 

. .. abs lock .. . . i don't think so. . . .you would just grind to a halt . . unless you were doing 80mph in a turn. . . but on local streets, NOT

.. . .and a tire blow out on local streets, not enough energy in the system to flip a car twice. . . .but if its what you want to believe.. . . :?

. .. either its a fib .. . or these people don't know the physics that goes into driving a car . .. .

. . just because we have technology like abs, doesn't make the car safer to drive.. . . ..drivers do that.. . .

. . .. .i am actually suprised at how easy it is to get a liscense . . ..people should be required to go to driving schools . . . ya know do thinks like braking in turns, at various speeds 30, 40, 50mph. . . . . braking on wet surfaces .. . . . skid recovery. . . . .s-turns, entering and exiting corners .. . know the APEX of the turn (you wouldn't believe how many people enter a turn wrong) . .. . and they should learn what INERTIA is . . .just because you slam on the brakes, doesn't mean you'll instantly stop. . . . .. btw, your tires are the most important part of the vehicle . . .

again, the car is only as good as the person driving it..

peace,
z