you're welcome. im glad to help.

 

Tanx KAuss. Makes me feel better for decide'n to get the gts instead of a rex.

 

Alright, first off:

A certain guy that claimed to own a WRX, didnt or doesnt.

But... why a 350Z? Those are heavy, 2 seat under-powered, over priced, over rated cars.

I would never trade my WRX for a 350Z... a new GTO, yes!

A lightly modded WRX will whoop a 350Z, nuff said. Those are a joke.

The trannys are not that bad on a WRX. Right now, the only cars I would trade my WRX for are a new GTO or EVO or STi. (Brand new cars under 35,000)

I was considering the tc as a second car.

Anyone ever drove the Saturn Redline yet?

 

LOL have you ever been in or driven a Z they arnt under powered. People are running 13.5 stock. Go on a 350z forum and repeat just what you said if you want proof. And at 26,000 they arnt over priced get your facts straight. And if you are referring to me about not owning a wrx i have taken it to kk meets here in socal more than once. Okay I'm done this is getting way off topic.

 

2point0, easy guy :D

We love opinions here and I'm full of them especially on airbags as most of them know me by it LOL...

We can share it but lets keep it less personal and keep the boards wide open for future comments :D

Saying which car is better is not ALL about the 1/4 numbers... Thats why I posted my opinion on it since I actually DID own a WRX but after driving it, and how clunky it was to get back into first during a roll... I really have had it with the WRX...

I live in NorCal and went on the Mt. Hamilton meet with the folks here... We had over 60 cars that day and that Mt. hosted more turns than we have days in a year... Lets just say on the hairpins... My inexperience with manual transmission and the clunkiness of the tranny made for a very bad experience... I had to shift back into first but it was the most horrifying rev match ever... At the end of my fury, I think I already started having clutch problems from bad shifts while learning off the car the first few weeks... Sounded like a clinking reving rattle... Could be tranny problem tho...

The 350Z on the other hand has gotten great reviews... I have never driven one, but there isn't anyone out there that has who'll say otherwise... I personally don't like it, but I can understand why people would... And if you are saying the ride / drive quality in a WRX is better... I seriously have to urge you to test drive my 15 year old integra... The shocks suck but the car drives smooth as butter... I can rip corners even tho it's a FWD and still feel more solid than my WRX ever did... (thanks to the RE92 my car is totalled... Also my stupid self by driving crazy)

Well, I've said too much already, but my point through all this is just to keep it nice and simple and lets enjoy the views instead of trying to cult people :D

WRX is nice... But the 350Z cost more for a reason ;)

btw, coupe2... No prob man :D Just a car lover trying to get by another day you know ;)

 

Hey KAuss what car are you driving now?

 

With stock tires, 500mis, and salty sandy roads... i managed 8.96 with shameless wheelspin with my xB... the retry with better tires, k&n typhoon and a controlled launch should yeild mid - low 8sec

 

I drive a 90 Integra LS... I bought this so my insurance wouldn't make me go broke... After totaling a car, they jack you :D So I just got this with liability and now I'm saving up to buy a tC... By time I save enough, my insurance will be cheaper and I'll be turning 25...

 

Cool. Hey man i'm going through the same thing you are. I totalled my 99 Corolla a couple of years back....so i ended up buying a 01 Corolla S...it was cool for a while untill my insurance with State Farm sky rocketted, so i had to sell my Corolla. Ended up buying a 91 Integra GS so i could regroup, save up and wait after i turn 21....which is in a few months so we're going through the same s&@^ .

Peace

 

I was thinking of the tC's 0-60 times with the supercharger (I mean, is there a single person on earth who's actually gonna buy the car without the supercharger?)... I'd guess somewhere in the 7.2 range?

 

yeah, i am. Mostly because the car comes in june and the supercharger doesnt come till november. Also, i'm a student who lives at home, and with no job. I can't afford one yet. I'm sure a lot of people who buy the car wont get the supercharger. At least not right away.

 

350Z is a fun car to drive. The V6 in it feels like a V8. There's usable torque everywhere, it doesn't matter what gear you're in. But there's 6 gears, when you need them.

The WRX is a turbo 2-liter. Sure you can add more boost or a better turbo or whatever, but it's not nearly as fun to drive, in my opinion. 14 lbs or 20lbs, it makes no difference. It lags off boost and the drive train itself lags. The looks also appeal only to those who know about it...or chick that like to go snowboarding and need a 4x4. Heh.

The most fun you can have in a WRX type car(evo, eclipse/talon turbos, celica all-trac) is right off the line with the boost cranked up. That and maybe acting like a rally car racer.


But to stay on topic...the tC is only for daily driving and pimpin' around town. It's overweight for a speed racer like a Celica(2500-2600lbs?), but it's smaller than a Solara(overall length by 18"?).

 

neverspeakawordagain, I'm getting the car stock without the S/C... (Maybe)

Reason being is the trust in the aftermarket... With displacement like a 2.4... I think we can do way better than 200 hp under the hood...

Gunner1, are you speaking on the WRX's behalf by experience? 20 lbs boost experience? Well, I don't know how driving a WRX isn't fun... I seriously had a lot of fun with it but it wasn't practical since it had a lot of shift problems for me... As for the drive train being laggy... What are you talking about in that? AWD would be a lot more responsive than RWD under instant acceleration...

As for my preception for fun... I generally don't like launching on boost or launching at all because you can always break stuff no matter what the car... I have my most fun on a slow roll then flooring the car and hit boost in the middle... The sudden surge of power puts a smile on my face each time... Then after I hit 3rd and go about 80mph, I just slowly roll back to a 65 and drive normal again... Anyone that drove a WRX knows that anything past 5 is no fun... Torque is fun, the steeper the curve up, the more fun you'll have... From physics... The turbo will provide the biggest gain in torque over shorter rpm ranges, thus giving you a LOT more fun :D

 

same here, cept i have a job, lol. I'm waitin til i hear as much as i can about the s/c that comes from scion and then decidin 6 mos. down the line if i wannna pick that up or get an aftermarket.

 

I didn't say it isn't fun, it's just not as fun to drive as a Z, in my opinion. The way I see it, that instant boost within a couple 1000 rpm range is a cheap thrill. Taking a car with that nature to the edge on a racetrack is not as rewarding as a car like a Z with instant push at about any RPM. The rear kicks out with some use of the throttle much more easily and predictably then a 4wd car unless the suspension is really worked, and even then, you still deal with the same drawbacks.

If you're a driver that likes to track his car, than you would know what I'm talking about. I ain't hating on the Scooby, just pointing out car basics.

 

the z also has a way bigger engine. 3.8l v6 compared to the wrx's 2.0l inline 4. yeah one is turbo'ed but it doesnt compare to a v6 with about 1.8 more liters. that's just what i think.

 

The Supercharger's supposed to be, what, like 3 grand, right? That's six months of insurance right there... I'd say six months of insurance is worth it for the s/c.

Another thing... I'm a 24 year old male with absolutely no violations on my record whatsoever, no accidents, no NOTHING, and perfect credit (which I know they base insurance on)... why is insurance for a new car 6 grand a year?

 

A natrually aspirated engine is inferior to a F/I engine... Take it into altitudes and you'll lose oxygen... Take your Z and run it up a mountian... Take a WRX and take it up a mountian... I know this is more rally based, but the best twisties are on the hills...

As for a track car... You don't need low end torque for races... The way production cars are setup especially for huge displacement engines is that the torque usually kicks in instantly and drop off near the top... This is exactly what you DON'T want in a race car... Most race cars would take advantage of the displacement and turn it into hp and not tq... Since when you're racing you're staying in high revs (downshifting) neither car would feel out of line or lack of power...

As with predictablilty... AWD was designed for that... You can take an AWD to any track, most weather conditions and drive it much the same... You can NOT say that about RWD cars... You have to be good with the car, good with the track, and definately good with anything that has to do with turning FAST in a RWD car...

As for cheap thrill... You can't feel this thrill in a N/A car... You can however feel the torque of a N/A V6 in a 4 banger through F/I... A car with constant torque with little to no change does nothing for fun... You can't feel speed... You can only feel acceration... If all you care for is the lap time at the end and don't care for the "glued to your seats" feel of a AWD F/I rally bred car... Then your definition of fun would mean to drive the fastest car you can afford... As for my definition of fun... It would mean that the car would roar when I want it and pur like a kitty when I get my groceries...

All in good chat :D This topic is fun :D

 

^^^that is an excellent post. i learn something new every day hehe

 

I'm not a professor or nothing.... Don't take my words for facts as most are merely opinion...

However I would take credit if you enjoyed reading it :D