i enjoyed reading the post. thank you. hehe

 

Well i dont really care about the 350z Being n/a and the wrx being turbo. Yea the wrx is a fun car but to make it how i want it i will have to dump too much money into it. Jeez just to beef up the tranny its like 10,000. So my 350z with twin turbo 18g turbos will kick the crap out of my wrx anyday and in the long run im saving money. Plus the 350z is cheaper to insure and i will get better gas millage. Its funny how a lot of people have to get there 2 cents in but havnt driven both cars or non of them. Everyone thinks wrx are like all and mighty but if you go on any boards and look at time slips most are running like 14.8 stock. Crap with my wrx stock boost and axil back ran a 14.3 and the wrx that i raced had turbo back exhaust intake and ran a 14.7 so stop lookn at the mags and trying to compare cars>

 

Did you ever take the WRX on a Mt. Hamilton run? If you did you'd smile days on end :D

I haven't driven a Z but I know I'd love it just the same... Just that for the sake of having driven V6 cars... I do perfer the feel of a F/I four banger :D

Like I said, if all people cared about was the 1/4 slips, then just get the fastest car you can afford... Nothing else seems to matter :D

 

argh, site double posted me...

 

Yeah, it's not all just about the fastest car. I'll tell you, the fastest car I've ever driven was an SUV (Porsche Cayenne Turbo). But it wasn't all that much fun to drive, more scary. It's all about what you're into.

As for me, give me a Lotus Elise any day :D :D :D

 

neverspeakawordagain, race your Elise vs. my Hummer H1 LOL....

 

Well the only reason i brought up 1/4 mile times was cause some people were saying there wrx rapes Z's. So i thought i would enlighten people what wrx really run cause everyone swears they have a 13 second rex stock bwaaaaa. But I'm all bout canyon running and desert flats and things more of that nature. There is this run i go to with 90 plus mph turns and alot of tight turns too with some nice steep drop offs lol....

 

I'm picking up a car in June and its a tC or WRX wagon.

I was originally looking at a Mazda3 and liked the car just fine and thought I had my car, in fact I was very impressed with it.... til I drove a WRX that is. The WRX is an absolute blast to drive. I had diven the same route w/ mazda3 (both engines), Jetta GL, TDI, 1.8T, Jeep Wrangler (just for kicks), and then the WRX. When I got back to the dealer, i couldnt turn in and just kept going. It felt like I was back in my 90 jetta GLI.

Well I immediately dropped all other considerations until I found the tC. Coming from a truck I'd like to have the ability to make a rare haul. The WRX sedan seat doesnt fold, but the acre of room in the tC got me thinking. Loaded, sharp, upscale interior, reliability, 87octane gas - its a close call.

Has Anyone actually sat in the tC?
My biggest concern is the driving position. I like the position of the WRX and dislike the position of the celica.

I'm torn, any advice would be most helpful?

 

or you could just get the twin turbo system greddy has for the z....muahahaha.

 

The WRX seats rock huh? I am seriously when I say those are the most comfortable stock seats I've ever sat in... (the bad thing is that they all wear down around 15K - 20K miles..) I owned the wagon also!! Just best wagon for the $...

The tC will most definately not be such a thrill to drive.. You however have the ability to make it so if you're into aftermarket :D The cool thing is that the tyres on the tC will be a lot better than those on the WRX... That'll save you some "have fun" money...

Sorry I can't comment on the seating yet, but lets hope you don't have to wait for me to do so before you get an answer...

As for desert runs... Never tried it :D I love tarmac... (thats why I don't like AWD ne more :D)

 

FYI, the seats in the tC are pretty comfortable, BUT the WRX seats are still my favorite too. I've sat in both, one more than the other, but the tC seats are good. But i only sat in them for a few minutes, not on a long drive, so i couldn't tell you if they start to hurt or whatever. The WRX seats stay comfortable for the first 8 hrs of a 12 hr drive. Then, any seat hurts. =o)

 

Well a WRX with automatic transmission , the moonroof package, and their cheapest 17s is going to run you 29,020. Let's say you can get it for invoice and get aftermarket wheels, you're looking at about 26,000 (invoice from www.cars.101.com). Moral of the story:

It's still a $9,000 price difference. Factor in 0% financing from subaru and you looking at atleast $7,000.

For $7,000 you can get the supercharger and new seats with money left over. Plus you have Toyota reliability and a much more unique car. Even if the TC catches on, one subaru looks like another subaru, where as the TC looks like no other scion or Toyota.

This is all coming from a guy that was set on buying a WRX (and is still thinking about it), but unless something drastic happens with the TC, it's a no brainer.

 

The most comfortable auto seats I've ever sat in were in a Bentley Arnage... though I haven't actually gotten a chance to sit in the new Maybach seats, but I've heard they're extraordinary.

If we're talking under 40K seats, the absolute, single best seats, without question, are in the Pontiac GTO. You wouldn't believe that seats like that are in a GM vehicle.

The worst seats I've ever sat in, of course, are in my 1987 Toyota Corolla... after twenty years, foam gets pretty thin.

 

Question: what's wrong with the stock WRX rims? Honestly, as long as it's not solid disk steel rims with cheesy plastic hubcaps, I really couldn't care less what kind of rims are on my car. I honestly couldn't even tell you what the wheels on my car look like; I can't remember the last time I even glanced at them. I guess I just don't get the whole rims thing.

 

How much would it cost to put AWD into the tC?

You have to factor in that price too :D

Even with the S/C the tC would still be behind on performance... So legitimately speaking, the WRX still has it's advantages... (You also get 4 full doors!!)

As for looks, it's always a matter of taste so you can't really put that into the equation for value... (the round headlights grew on me with ownership of the car and I even bought a 1:18 model after I totaled my WRX cause I missed those headlights :D)

 

Correct, I did forget about AWD. If you need that kind of thing, it does level the field quite a bit.

Number of Doors, however, is certainly a matter of preference. I don't remember the last time I had more than 2 people in my car. I rather have the cargo room in the back that the TC provides.

Plus, isn't the TC supposed to have a lot of rear legroom? What good is four doors if everyone is uncomfortable in the back seat of a WRX?

And I was including the 17s as a performance option. I see no problem with 16s for casual driving, and I also don't get the cosmetic upgrade rims (24s on an H1 for example). However, larger tires often equals better performance.

Like I said, I think it's a draw at best, and anyone into making their car a speed demon won't leave a WRX stock anymore than a TC, so now you have a $40,000 scooby. Bang for the buck, TC is simply ahead of the WRX.

 

Well, I'm just saying what I'm about to say because I love forum chat :D

Even tho I owned a WRX I don't think it's the greatest car in the world just the one we're currently talking about :D

The four doors thing DO come in handy when you get groceries where you can just open the rear doors and put in whatever you want back there instead of the the truck or open up the hatch...

The WRX wagon has a LOT more room for cargo than the tC

The back seats are snug, but where are the numbers and I never sat in the back of a tC so I can't even comment on that yet...

The tC has no bang unless it's down in the low 14s with the S/C...

The WRX has bang and thus can be considered bang for the buck :D

A car that runs 15's seriously has no bang :D Considering you have cars that run 14's stock comming out just all over without F/I...

Once again, the 1/4 slips aren't everything... Just that thats what most people gauge cars by :D (and most definately how they gauge bang by)

 

Thanks for the input.

neverspeak, the rims are fine on the wrx, but the tires are not the greatest. In the wrx forums they talk about swaping tires but keeping the rims. The tC (i was looking again, but couldnt find the exact tires) tires are supposedly better. On top of that its 17" vs 16".

I would be leasing thru my biz again, so the cost is less of an issue. I'm close to getting the WRX at 250/mo for 39mo. (invoice at 25210) If it were any closer to 30, I'd have a permagrin and driving the sti.

I'm still completly undecided. I am now leaning towards buying out my truck lease until I figure out a plan. For me its about feel. The rex was the first car that felt as good or better than my old jetta GLI (roccaro seats were better than wrx, but not by much btw). It just seemed to have this quiet confindence like "dont worry I'll be here if you need me". The tC looks fantastic on paper, but without knowing its feel we're all flying a bit blind. Since I'd have to give my truck back 3 days prior to the tC arrival, I have to be darn sure its the right decision. Plus, my brand new ex hated the truck so I dont have to consider that anymore.

tC4me - you said you sat in the tC for a minute? How was the view from there? Did it feel reclined, upright, low? What would be a car or two you would call it similar to?

Thanks again for the replies.

PS KAuss - I hear ya on the model. I bought the transfomer version of the wrx.

 

The fastest car I've ever driven on a regular basis was a 1995 Ford Taurus with a 140 hp 3.8 litre v-6. New, it ran a 17.5 second 1/4 mile.

15's in the quarter? My car runs 0-60 in 16. And I'm not exaggerating at all. That's timed. If I had to guess at a 1/4 time, I'd probably say something around 22 seconds. It's carbuerated. In 1987, it put out 75 hp. This is my car, that I've been driving for eight years. When I got it, I was in high school. In three weeks, I get my doctorate degree. It's still running original shocks and struts at all corners.

To be perfectly honest with you, a Hyundai Accent would be a HUGE performance upgrade for me. The tC is gonna seem like an Enzo Ferrari.

Oh, and it'll probably have a few creature comforts that I've never had before. Like power windows and doors, air conditioning, an FM radio, anti-lock breaks, air bags, and more than three speeds in the automatic tranny.

It's all relative. All depends on where you're coming from. To someone who's been driving a WRX, the tC is a creeping econobox. To me, it's a race car. All relative.

 

wow this place updates faster than i can type.

Bang for buck, I couldnt agree more that the tC leads the pack. In fact I think it hit one of biggest gaps in cardom. The only thing is does it have enough bang to warrant a purchase? Everything is relative and I can appreciate an accent for what it provides. The reason I steered away from the Mazda3 is I why give back a adequate truck with a buyout of 7500 to buy another adequate vehicle for 16-17k?



Ooh, just thinking. I guess I have a new consideration: Now that I'm single do I really want to be driving around in a station wagon? hmm...