Don't go trading that TC for that new Cobalt SS just yet..
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i was talking about cars with my neighbor (he has an awesome 700 plus hp 1957 chevy bel air.) he as asking me how i like my car now that it is supercharged and what i planned on doing with it, and said that one thing the japanese figured out a long time ago is how to built an amazing engine, especially the bottom end. something that chevy, ford and dodge never did, so when you do anything to them, they just blow.
#24
Originally Posted by yellowxhoodie
swap turbos, get a boost controller, and id rock it.
what was said earlier is that the car is already maxed out from the factory. the engine/transmission can't handle anymore power, so if you want to upgrade it, you have alot of hard and expensive work ahead of you.
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
Originally Posted by yellowxhoodie
swap turbos, get a boost controller, and id rock it.
what was said earlier is that the car is already maxed out from the factory. the engine/transmission can't handle anymore power, so if you want to upgrade it, you have alot of hard and expensive work ahead of you.
#28
Originally Posted by paulky_2000
Originally Posted by aRucard
x2 even if it makes 1000hp i still wouldn't buy an american pos
the problem is that GM, Ford, and Dodge let the accountants build the cars instead of engineers or the designors.
american car manufacturers have all the talent and technology in the world at their disposal, so why can't they make cars as good as the competition?
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I'll say it THIS way:
I don't care to buy a NEWER American car. The pride and workmanship is long gone as far as I can see.....
But to lay down a blanket statement about ALL American cars is just foolish.....in my own opinion, of course!
I don't care to buy a NEWER American car. The pride and workmanship is long gone as far as I can see.....
But to lay down a blanket statement about ALL American cars is just foolish.....in my own opinion, of course!
#31
all i can say is my roommate wont shut up about the damn car, yet he has a cobalt ss/na and it sucks, always throws CEL's, clutch is always going bad, ect.... wouldn't trust this car at all. didn't look like much at HIN when i looked at it. for being a turbo set up you can tell its a factory as it looks like it is nothing big compared to what others do to theirs, and its about the same price as turbo's a tc when looking at price tag
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Originally Posted by Zebman
Boost is boost, regardless of turbo size.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
That's why a Cobalt with a tiny ___ turbo on 21 psi puts 260hp out, and a Supra with a giant turbo the size of a watermelon on 21psi puts 800hp out.
Boost is the most pointless, overused measurment used in turbo applications.
Originally Posted by draxcaliber
Originally Posted by yellowxhoodie
swap turbos, get a boost controller, and id rock it.
what was said earlier is that the car is already maxed out from the factory. the engine/transmission can't handle anymore power, so if you want to upgrade it, you have alot of hard and expensive work ahead of you.
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Originally Posted by paulky_2000
I'll say it THIS way:
I don't care to buy a NEWER American car. The pride and workmanship is long gone as far as I can see.....
But to lay down a blanket statement about ALL American cars is just foolish.....in my own opinion, of course!
I don't care to buy a NEWER American car. The pride and workmanship is long gone as far as I can see.....
But to lay down a blanket statement about ALL American cars is just foolish.....in my own opinion, of course!
Toyota Tundra
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
BMW Z4
'American' manufacturers don't build in bulk in America anymore, the majority of production is in Canada and Mexico. Soon to be China.
But I agree with you. Real American cars are the icons from the 60's and early 70's.
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Sure, its fast outta the box, but at what cost? Is the reliability there? Longevity? When its all said and done ... its a glorified Cavalier.
...which coincidentally Toyota distributed in Japan and manufactured a TRD body kit for.
...which coincidentally Toyota distributed in Japan and manufactured a TRD body kit for.
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http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/ed...essor_map.html
Here ya go. I found an article for any of the retards who think boost is a more important factor than CFM's.
It's also another reason why Honda's are the best vehicles on the market to boost. MAP > MAF.
Go ahead. Try to argue. You'll get stfu within 2 posts.
Kthx.
Here ya go. I found an article for any of the retards who think boost is a more important factor than CFM's.
It's also another reason why Honda's are the best vehicles on the market to boost. MAP > MAF.
Go ahead. Try to argue. You'll get stfu within 2 posts.
Kthx.
#36
Originally Posted by Spicy_McHaggiz
Originally Posted by draxcaliber
Originally Posted by yellowxhoodie
swap turbos, get a boost controller, and id rock it.
what was said earlier is that the car is already maxed out from the factory. the engine/transmission can't handle anymore power, so if you want to upgrade it, you have alot of hard and expensive work ahead of you.
#38
I have to admit, that Im all for the new SS turbo, and I may be getting one if my buddy who works for GM can pull through a deal.
My biggest concern is reliability and value. Anyone who has owned a "run of the mill" GM car knows that the addage "the value drops 50% when you drive it off the lot" actually applies to GM cars (as with most American vehicles). I have not found this to be the case with the foreign stuff if it is taken care of.
Further, this buddy of mine who works for GM has told me horror stories about how poorly some of their vehicles are made. In short, imagine a car comming off of the line bent and a group of guys putting a saws-all to the frame, bending it into place and putting it on down the line - the quality with an American car is always an issue, as they have to feed the unions.
I dont like the looks as much as the TC, but the new SS seems to me almost a done deal in terms of mods, ect. It comes from the factory with 18" wheels, big brakes, 260 hp turbo/boost gague, good stereo, ect. I cannot think of what more I would like to do to that kind of car.
Im sitting on a 2006 TC, with the awful bazooka sub, and am thinking about getting 18" wheels, upgrading the stereo, and would like more power, so if the price is right and the quality seems good, I cannot think of a reason why not to go with this car - that is if we still have gas by the end of the summer.
I would really like to hear from someone who has actually driven one of these or a recent supercahrged version - because if its anything like other GM cars that I have driven - I will be sticking with the TC.
My biggest concern is reliability and value. Anyone who has owned a "run of the mill" GM car knows that the addage "the value drops 50% when you drive it off the lot" actually applies to GM cars (as with most American vehicles). I have not found this to be the case with the foreign stuff if it is taken care of.
Further, this buddy of mine who works for GM has told me horror stories about how poorly some of their vehicles are made. In short, imagine a car comming off of the line bent and a group of guys putting a saws-all to the frame, bending it into place and putting it on down the line - the quality with an American car is always an issue, as they have to feed the unions.
I dont like the looks as much as the TC, but the new SS seems to me almost a done deal in terms of mods, ect. It comes from the factory with 18" wheels, big brakes, 260 hp turbo/boost gague, good stereo, ect. I cannot think of what more I would like to do to that kind of car.
Im sitting on a 2006 TC, with the awful bazooka sub, and am thinking about getting 18" wheels, upgrading the stereo, and would like more power, so if the price is right and the quality seems good, I cannot think of a reason why not to go with this car - that is if we still have gas by the end of the summer.
I would really like to hear from someone who has actually driven one of these or a recent supercahrged version - because if its anything like other GM cars that I have driven - I will be sticking with the TC.
#39
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by Zebman
Boost is boost, regardless of turbo size.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
That's why a Cobalt with a tiny butt turbo on 21 psi puts 260hp out, and a Supra with a giant turbo the size of a watermelon on 21psi puts 800hp out.
Boost is the most pointless, overused measurment used in turbo applications.
Originally Posted by draxcaliber
Originally Posted by yellowxhoodie
swap turbos, get a boost controller, and id rock it.
what was said earlier is that the car is already maxed out from the factory. the engine/transmission can't handle anymore power, so if you want to upgrade it, you have alot of hard and expensive work ahead of you.
There are actually very few SS S/c'd cobalts putting out anything past 350 whp. The 300 whp mark is a hard one to reach and pass with the SS S/c because of a weak tranny and the supercharger. The tranny case has actually broken because of wheel hop on stock SS S/c's let alone those with 300 hp. There are a few streetable 350+ whp cobalts BUT its taken quite a bit of work.
The SS cobalt has always been quick, but a _____ to get a lot of RELIABLE hp out of. Not a bad car, but definetly not high on many peoples lists.
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Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by paulky_2000
I'll say it THIS way:
I don't care to buy a NEWER American car. The pride and workmanship is long gone as far as I can see.....
But to lay down a blanket statement about ALL American cars is just foolish.....in my own opinion, of course!
I don't care to buy a NEWER American car. The pride and workmanship is long gone as far as I can see.....
But to lay down a blanket statement about ALL American cars is just foolish.....in my own opinion, of course!
Toyota Tundra
Toyota Camry
Honda Accord
BMW Z4
'American' manufacturers don't build in bulk in America anymore, the majority of production is in Canada and Mexico. Soon to be China.
But I agree with you. Real American cars are the icons from the 60's and early 70's.
Theres still quite a bit of car making going on in America, you just can't be blind to it. (aka search)