Don't go trading that TC for that new Cobalt SS just yet..
#61
Originally Posted by Spicy_McHaggiz
Originally Posted by RenegadeSS
Originally Posted by Spicy_McHaggiz
Being a former cobalt owner and someone who has educated themselves quite a bit on the new car, I'll shed this light. (P.s. I'm not just any ol n00b)
The SS T/c makes 260 hp. To the person mentioning the sister car the sky redline, it uses the exact same 2.0L Ecotec motor (LNF engine code). Also GM has already expressed they will NOT offer stage kits for this car, reason being (or at least as many believe) the transmission is maxed out at the 260 hp output from the factory. Meaning the stock tranny cannot handle much more HP to it without breaking. This would not be good for GM to up the HP and break trannies. Another reason for no stage kits would be tunning. With Direct Injection the tuning is more advanced then that of the EFI used in many cars today.
It will be a fast car yes, but making it faster might be a bit of a problem
The SS T/c makes 260 hp. To the person mentioning the sister car the sky redline, it uses the exact same 2.0L Ecotec motor (LNF engine code). Also GM has already expressed they will NOT offer stage kits for this car, reason being (or at least as many believe) the transmission is maxed out at the 260 hp output from the factory. Meaning the stock tranny cannot handle much more HP to it without breaking. This would not be good for GM to up the HP and break trannies. Another reason for no stage kits would be tunning. With Direct Injection the tuning is more advanced then that of the EFI used in many cars today.
It will be a fast car yes, but making it faster might be a bit of a problem
#62
Originally Posted by Spicy_McHaggiz
Originally Posted by RenegadeSS
My final words on the cobalt are this. Its a very fun car to drive, relibility is very good, and I never had any problems with it. I owned three of them. The first I wrecked it and the second one was stolen from me, and the current one I have runs like a champ for the regular beetings it gets and I neglect it alot( I go underway a lot). Yes the interior looks like rubermade built it, but the skinny is I don't care when I'm running away from wrx, si, type-s, and evos. I'm not saying this car is unstopable, but any car has the potential to beet any car and reason people buy cars is because they like the car point blank. I own a 86 corrola and I love the car as much as my cobalt. that is my preferance. I like the way the tc looks and the cavernous back seat room( the naughty things I could do with that much room), but I'm content. As far as the very bias comments only proves the lack of knowledge and shows ignorance. To get an unbiased opinion look at the edmunds reliability report, and you will see that scion is bellow chevy, but toyota is in fourth place only beaten by honda, cadillac and lexus. Reliability is only deteminded by the consumer and age group. Here is a link http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test .
#65
One thing to point out as well is that starting with a high PSI makes you wonder how much the bottom half of the block can handle. I'm not to sure what the 2L ecotec is cast in. I know the K20 block has cast iron sleves and has been proven to be able to safely handle 600hp and up to 40psi.
#66
Originally Posted by BZinn1
Look at the SRT-4s.......powerful,fast,and wehn modded for more they tend to have a lot of issues with parts breaking........and this comes straight from the Dodge guys who own them.........it is alove hate with them.......probably same here with the Chevy........
With that being said I do really like the TC's which is why im on these forums in the first place. If it came down to looks between the TC, cobalt, srt and RSX I would choose the TC hands down. It's just too bad you don't have the camry engine because the TCs are so damn heavy. I love the aftermarket parts offered by TRD but they sure do charge a lot for them.
#67
Originally Posted by 06siHubby
One thing to point out as well is that starting with a high PSI makes you wonder how much the bottom half of the block can handle. I'm not to sure what the 2L ecotec is cast in. I know the K20 block has cast iron sleves and has been proven to be able to safely handle 600hp and up to 40psi.
#68
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Originally Posted by Zebman
Boost is boost, regardless of turbo size.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
That's why a Cobalt with a tiny butt turbo on 21 psi puts 260hp out, and a Supra with a giant turbo the size of a watermelon on 21psi puts 800hp out.
Boost is the most pointless, overused measurment used in turbo applications.
People Boost is just a measurement of pressurization..... how much air is flowing is the actual thing to pay attention to.
#69
Originally Posted by draxcaliber
one thing the japanese figured out a long time ago is how to built an amazing engine, especially the bottom end. something that chevy, ford and dodge never did, so when you do anything to them, they just blow.
#71
Originally Posted by Zebman
Boost is boost, regardless of turbo size.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
Low compression for mileage during non-boost driving possibly? I don't know.
#72
Originally Posted by 06siHubby
Yeah the bottom ends are usually rock solid it's the tops that blow. My buddies V8Hemi bent a valve at only 30k miles and he baby's that thing.
#73
you know the funny thing is that the rs4.0 costs about 20500 and this bad boy costs a mere 2000 more and look at how much more you get. damn if i had a better job i would get one in a heartbeat!
#74
Originally Posted by youngflyer
you know the funny thing is that the rs4.0 costs about 20500 and this bad boy costs a mere 2000 more and look at how much more you get. damn if i had a better job i would get one in a heartbeat!
Theres always ways around this
#75
Originally Posted by 06siHubby
Yeah the bottom ends are usually rock solid it's the tops that blow. My buddies V8Hemi bent a valve at only 30k miles and he baby's that thing.
Spicy, that's a plan.... but what about the power train warranty.... for a new car buyer that be important.
#76
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I must add to this thread.
When I was buying a new car it was between the 2008 Cobalt SS and the 2008 tC...and although I went with the tC I still kind of regret not going with the Cobalt.
I think for the main reason that I was getting one hella price on it.
Loaded everything.
Heated leather seats and any other addition that you could have asked for with an extra what like 100 hp for the same exact price i payed for my tC.
18G.
I will be willing to bet there arent too many people that can say they only payed that litte for their Cobalt SS.
Enough ranting for now.
I am still completely happy with the tC except for one thing.
Its lack of power.
Yes it does have a little kick for a 4 banger..but for real...without spending an extra $3000 for an 08' SC (verses the what like $2500 for the 07' and down, WTF?), you're stuck with the bone dry 161hp. That just isn't fully cuttin it in my books.
My 1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS seemed to have just as much ***** if not more than the tC.
And that care was 9 years old with a replaced tranny and head gaskets not to mention it had been beatin to hell through the entire 9 years even from previous owners.
Now for the upcoming tC models.
Please Scion, grow some ***** and give us a little bit more fun to work with besides this awesome wishbone suspension i absolutely LOVE when im in the backseat and my head hits the god damn ceiling after every bump i go over!!!!
When I was buying a new car it was between the 2008 Cobalt SS and the 2008 tC...and although I went with the tC I still kind of regret not going with the Cobalt.
I think for the main reason that I was getting one hella price on it.
Loaded everything.
Heated leather seats and any other addition that you could have asked for with an extra what like 100 hp for the same exact price i payed for my tC.
18G.
I will be willing to bet there arent too many people that can say they only payed that litte for their Cobalt SS.
Enough ranting for now.
I am still completely happy with the tC except for one thing.
Its lack of power.
Yes it does have a little kick for a 4 banger..but for real...without spending an extra $3000 for an 08' SC (verses the what like $2500 for the 07' and down, WTF?), you're stuck with the bone dry 161hp. That just isn't fully cuttin it in my books.
My 1999 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS seemed to have just as much ***** if not more than the tC.
And that care was 9 years old with a replaced tranny and head gaskets not to mention it had been beatin to hell through the entire 9 years even from previous owners.
Now for the upcoming tC models.
Please Scion, grow some ***** and give us a little bit more fun to work with besides this awesome wishbone suspension i absolutely LOVE when im in the backseat and my head hits the god damn ceiling after every bump i go over!!!!
#77
Originally Posted by SporkLover
Originally Posted by 06siHubby
Yeah the bottom ends are usually rock solid it's the tops that blow. My buddies V8Hemi bent a valve at only 30k miles and he baby's that thing.
Spicy, that's a plan.... but what about the power train warranty.... for a new car buyer that be important.
#78
It's the shortsightedness of the US manufacturers that fails to keep up with the innovations that keep coming from the imports. I grew up on US mfg cars, but I've long ago lost faith ... it seems all they've ever deserved credit for is making v8's & automatic transmissions.
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