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Old 01-21-2005 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by doxXxob
thats a lie. yes it does help your time. it also keeps your engine healthier and prolongs the life of your engine. why do you think at some drag strips they have special octane fuel that is a little over 100 octane? dont EVER go low octane if you want to baby your car.
Right. That's why Indy cars have such long-life engines, and rarely need to be tuned-up. That's why the pit crew is there. Just to marvel at how reliable the engine is, and to polish the car before it's next run.
Indy cars have engines that are built to run off of that type of gas, if you run 100+ octane in your Scion, it would not turn out good for you. To make the set up work in your tc (not an indy car) you would need forced induction, re-programed ecu for the higher combustion, bigger fuel injectors, and probably a whole bunch of other things, and guess what your MPG would suck.
Old 01-21-2005 | 06:23 AM
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I think he was just poking fun at the notion of using higher octane to "baby" a car by saying that since race cars use it, they must never need maintenance.
Old 01-21-2005 | 06:57 AM
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Octane has nothing to do with power. It's a common misconception. The cars are ENGINEERED to use 87 octane - there is no scientific basis that higher octane will help you... It's simply urban mythology. Read the facts from one of the Big 3 oil Companies, they'd stand to profit if they could sell more premium, but look what they say:

http://www.shell.ca/code/motoring/en...es/octane.html
Old 01-21-2005 | 07:07 AM
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you could actually take advantage of higher octane if you bumped up the timing in most cars.. i havent read up on the tc and its system but my old car i bumped up the timing from baseline 15 degrees BTDC to 17 BTDC and it actually helped out a lil. but in a stock car it doesnt do a thing
Old 01-21-2005 | 06:13 PM
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octane information from the ftc

the short version:
1. read your cars manual, use that rated octane.

UNLESS you
2. TC or SC or otherwise increase the compression or timing of the engine
3. your engine starts to knock. if you get knock, go to the next highest grade. if it fixes it, you are done. if it doesn't, then go to premium or take the car in to be checked out.


The Low-Down on High Octane Gasoline

Are you tempted to buy a high octane gasoline for your car because you want to improve its performance? If so, take note: the recommended gasoline for most cars is regular octane. In fact, in most cases, using a higher octane gasoline than your owner's manual recommends offers absolutely no benefit. It won't make your car perform better, go faster, get better mileage or run cleaner. Your best bet: listen to your owner's manual.

The only time you might need to switch to a higher octane level is if your car engine knocks when you use the recommended fuel. This happens to a small percentage of cars.

Unless your engine is knocking, buying higher octane gasoline is a waste of money, too. Premium gas costs 15 to 20 cents per gallon more than regular. That can add up to $100 or more a year in extra costs. Studies indicate that altogether, drivers may be spending hundreds of millions of dollars each year for higher octane gas than they need.

What are octane ratings?
Octane ratings measure a gasoline's ability to resist engine knock, a rattling or pinging sound that results from premature ignition of the compressed fuel-air mixture in one or more cylinders. Most gas stations offer three octane grades: regular (usually 87 octane), mid-grade (usually 89 octane) and premium (usually 92 or 93). The ratings must be posted on bright yellow stickers on each gasoline pump.

What's the right octane level for your car?
Check your owner's manual to determine the right octane level for your car. Regular octane is recommended for most cars. However, some cars with high compression engines, like sports cars and certain luxury cars, need mid-grade or premium gasoline to prevent knock.

How can you tell if you're using the right octane level? Listen to your car's engine. If it doesn't knock when you use the recommended octane, you're using the right grade of gasoline.

Will higher octane gasoline clean your engine better?
As a rule, high octane gasoline does not outperform regular octane in preventing engine deposits from forming, in removing them, or in cleaning your car's engine. In fact, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency requires that all octane grades of all brands of gasoline contain engine cleaning detergent additives to protect against the build-up of harmful levels of engine deposits during the expected life of your car.

Should you ever switch to a higher octane gasoline?
A few car engines may knock or ping - even if you use the recommended octane. If this happens, try switching to the next highest octane grade. In many cases, switching to the mid-grade or premium-grade gasoline will eliminate the knock. If the knocking or pinging continues after one or two fill-ups, you may need a tune-up or some other repair. After that work is done, go back to the lowest octane grade at which your engine runs without knocking.

Is knocking harmful?
Occasional light knocking or pinging won't harm your engine, and doesn't indicate a need for higher octane. But don't ignore severe knocking. A heavy or persistent knock can lead to engine damage.

Is all "premium" or "regular" gasoline the same?
The octane rating of gasoline marked "premium" or "regular" is not consistent across the country. One state may require a minimum octane rating of 92 for all premium gasoline, while another may allow 90 octane to be called premium. To make sure you know what you're buying, check the octane rating on the yellow sticker on the gas pump instead of relying on the name "premium" or "regular."
Old 01-21-2005 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by doxXxob
heh and no you said that turbocharged cars need higher octane so i said alright then its still good for me to stick with my higher octane.

and thanks glad to know you got my back lol
The reason higher octane is better for high performance, turbocharged, and/or supercharged engines is because the higher the octane, the more resistant it is to premature detonation. In all the aforementioned applications, this is needed because you're putting more air into the fuel/air mixture but keeping the size it occupies the same, which in turn raises the base temperature of the fuel/air mixture before normal detonation. This added pressure and temperature could cause premature detonation, which is bad.

Judging by your cars profile, I assume you don't have a turbocharger. Hence, no need whatsoever for a higher octane. There is no more "power" in higher octane fuel.

In other words, for a normal, unmodified car that doesn't knock or ping... putting anything more than "regular" in your car is just a collosal waste of money. If you've got the cash to stupidly toss away, go ahead. However, just because you can toss that money away, that doesn't automatically give you the responsibility to hop on the internet and tell people on forums "omgz ur car suxz with low octane lolz ill beat u on teh trax tomorrow lolz i will my car iz 400whp with high octane lolz lolz lolz!!!!111ONE11!!!!!SHIFT11ELEVEN11!!!!!!"
Old 01-21-2005 | 09:50 PM
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OK, here's my $0.02 ...

AFAIK recent Toyota engines are designed with variable timing and a knock sensor. The ECU will push the timing as far as it can go until the knock sensor starts to detect detonation -- then the ECU will back off a bit and call it a day.

If you use 89 or 91 octane gas the ECU can advance the timing more w/o creating a knock condition. That can produce smoother, quieter operation and a bit more power. (YMMV of course.)

Maybe it's harder to hear the difference with a Camry/tC engine. But on an xB with that 1.5L buzzbox, it's quite noticeable.
Old 01-21-2005 | 09:58 PM
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hmm..
Only 87 octane for my xB. :D
I don't have money to waste on higher octane.
Runs fine.
Old 01-22-2005 | 03:57 AM
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This topic is like beating a dead horse. Whats the point. Most people (shown in past polls) put normal unleaded in their car. If you have the money higher octane is not bad for your car. Octane is just for knocking purposes. Do what you wish. If you feel that higher octane is worth it for you go ahead. I just stick with what they tell me to put in.
Old 01-22-2005 | 04:30 AM
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thanks for the info.. will save my money..
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