Thanks. Exactly, if below the mount point is longer then the part above doesn't have to move as far, hence "short throw" shifter not just "short" shifter (yes, there's a difference). The TRD might raise the "pyramid" a half inch so that they can make the lower part of the shifter longer than TWM's but they didn't reduce the shift height. Anyway, the main reason for including the cage with the TRD shifter is to ease the install.

 

did anyone else notice the "special" price on the shifter w/o the **** actually went UP??? how is that a special????

 

yeah.....so you guys crossed out 105.95....and put in 124.95.

124.95 is less than 105.95 because........?

 

IT SAYS $185.95 NOT $105.95...

 

does the shifter look all sunk in w/ this kit... ive seen some that look terrible cuz its so low!!! I want a short thow shifter, but i dont want the shift **** too low!

 

Here's a good pic of the TWM SS with a OBX ****. Looks 100% perfect to me.

 

i have the twm shortshifter with the stainless steel shift **** and its a great product, only thing that was bad is the price, but it was a gift. They also shipped it to the wrong address. im in college and they sent it to my college address when i was home for the holidays and called them and let them know. anyway i got it and its a great product and looks great

 

OK, I'm with ya on the principle. Raise the pivot point and the shift **** (what we touch) moves a shorter distance to move the lower point.

What I am still confused by is how the pivot point gets raised. Er, sorry if I'm getting TRD and TWM mixed up. So, TRD provides a short shifter which is the rod with ball AND the cage (a.k.a. "pyramid"... lol, sorry for such nontechnical language). TWM provides JUST the rod with ball.

Now, if TWM provides JUST the rod with ball, that means that the "mounting point" (where the rod sits in the "pyramid") has not changed. That is a fixed point. Right? This is what is confusing me. How can the pivot point change if the fixed mounting has remained the same? I'm not trying to dis or flame TWM's product -- in fact I'm quite interested in buying one -- I'm just trying to understand it. I dunno why something this simple has me so confused.

Here is a simple diagram of the stock shifter (I hope this works):
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Now here is an equally as crude diagram of what I understand for the TWM short shifter:
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What I've shown is a shorter top rod (3 segments for TWM, 4 for OEM) plus a raised mounting point (the "O") with the TWM having a longer lower segment (two vs. one for OEM). Is this basically what we are talking about?

If that's true, then the "O" (ball) is both where the pivot point is located AND where the rod mounts within the pyramid/cage. If the height of the pyramid has not changed, how does the TWM physically fit? The linkage that connects to the bottom of the rod doesn't move down, does it?

That's basically where I am confused. Without a different mounting point, how does the TWM short shifter modify the pivot point? I can understand how TRD's might (if it does at all) since it sounds like a new cage is also provided.

A side-by-side pic of the TWM and OEM shift rods would be very interesting to see. I don't think I saw one @ their website....? Again -- please don't take my questions as flames. I'm just trying to understand...

Thanx for indulging my questions!

 

The longer the shaft is below the pivot point, the less movement(i.e. your hand ) has to move to engage the gear. You do not need to lower the shift **** to reduce the shift throw and this may be where people are getting confused. TWM’s approach seems to be to reduce the throw AND also the height of the shift ****.

I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination but I have recently installed a B&M so I am familiar with this topic.

Hope this helps,

 

Zack,

You pretty much have the concept down. The rod that connects to the bottom of the shifter is pretty flexible but TWM moved it down as far as they could without bottoming out. At his point to shorten the throw further, TWM would have to make a new cage to be able to raise the mounting point even further, but this has a trade-off because you'd start to lose leverage and it might be more difficult to shift.

 

ok, so there is some give or flex with the connections below the pivot point. see, that was the part which wasn't clear to me. i assumed that the connection point below the pivot was fixed and thus couldn't accept a longer lower rod. yay! thanks for clearing that up!!! i totally "get it" now!

(i'm blonde, so speak slowly... lol)

 

my concern with twm is the actual lack ofpivot ball movement. if you take all three, the stock shifter, the TWM and the B&M, u'll notice the stock and the TWM look very similar. there is a slight raise in the twm's pivot ball, but it is very slight, and the upper shaft is shorter. when u compare the stock to a B&M u can see worlds of changes. the pivot ball is very displaced much higher, and the overall length of the shifter is much closer to stock. i beleive the B&M is more sports oriented, whereas the TWM is sporty, its more geared toward appearances. B&M has a long-standing reputaion for functionallity and quality. but dont take my word for it. look it up yourselves. but remember i told u first.