SilverBaron

Hey guys, ive been looking into getting my Tc to walk evos and sti left and right...sooo.... ive been viciously looking for different things to do to it. Well Chris Rado(Toyota Racer) has the worlds fastest import...7 Sec Scion Tc...O Chyeaa... but hes running basically the same engine in his as in the stock tc except for instead of using aluminum pistons, hes got die cast pistons in his. Now, looking at the numbers, stock tc pushes out 160hp but his runs 150??? So how can he be pushing a 7 Sec car? Well, i think its because the die cast pistons allow him to push for higher hp. Well, I raced a celica yesturday that got me thinking. The 01-03 celicas have a 2ZZ-GE engine which are 1.8... 2.0 VVT-Li...yes, Li's..Thats like a vtech instead of the mini vtech we basically got in ours. Well the Li is ment for higher RPMS so enables us for higher speeds!! that engine pushes out like 190 but if we can bore it out a lil more...maybe making a 2.0 a 2.2, we'd be almost as big as what we have now, just 10x faster?? I dont know, all i know is that its also ment for 6 speed, and with a simple super charger and that engine they were able to push out 250 like nothing. Now for mine, im going to try for making the 2zz engine a 2.2 and turbo'ing that beast! lolz. Well guys....Hit me up. i need responses...Hopes...put downs.... Chyeaaaaa!!

Nick06tC

For the amount it would cost you, you could build a tC engine to 500WHP and have alot less problems.
Why not just build our engine and slap a turbo on it and call it good?

SilverBaron

Well see with even a good turbo which is like 5 grand, ud still only get it up 2 300hp with like 10lbs of boost but im talking about the ability to WALK an evo. Them stock is like what? 300 so with a simple exhast and intake, ur talking like 360 so that would beat our turbo tc... right?

Nick06tC

no matter what you do to your car, you could always say if you do this or that to the other, it will be faster, so where does it end?

Your gonna spend 10 grand to do an engine swap and get it to 300hp. So why not just do it to the tC engine for cheaper and less headache.

300hp on the tC will kill an evo on a roll. From a dig, you will loose or come close, but thats how traction goes.

Either engine will need built, the tC engine built with a turbo setup can yield 450WHP and walk an EVO ALL DAY.

Scott8

iTrader: (1)

It takes some $ to walk an Evo.
You should be able to pull away with a bigger turbo kit. I would just have the head build, a P and P, different pistons and rods and call it a stage 2 motor. That should be good to 500whp. And don't forget to beef up the transmission while your at it. No point in having that many HP if you can't get it to the ground and make the car move.
So, 7-9,000 to get a really fast turbo'd tC

skiboarder72

spend the money and buy a faster car... fwd sucks

scionofPCFL

I'm not following. Are you trying to say that Rado's tC motor is only pushing 150 hp? Huh? Or is that 150 mph at 7 sec? Again, Huh?

BTW, Rado is pushing serious boost, most likely well over 30psi. So I don't think there's anything common between his tC and your tC, except the name on the hood.

Nick06tC

oh and he isnt the fastest import. there is a toyota solara that runs in the 6s that is the fastest import.

paul34

Why try to straight-line beat Evos and STi's with a tC? They're two different classes of cars; you can't really compare them.

That's like trying to build your Geo Metro to beat a Koenigsegg CCX. They're two totally different types of cars. Different world. The Metro is a grocery getter/commuter, and the CCX is one hell of a track beast.

Same situation, different names here.

brian

if you wanna be smokin evos left and right, the simplest thing would've been to start with a different platform. you started with an economy fwd car, not the greatest to begin with, but doable if you have the money. but again, if you're going to be spending that much more anyway, you should've started with something not fwd.

SilverBaron

Yeah...But I am TC ALL THE WAY...well except for maybe a diff motor but u I love the way the tc feels, drives, everything. I didnt buy the car because it was cheap or because it was a gift. I took a look around and just fell for the Scion Tc. We're not talking about different platforms just a cheaper base to build off of. Around here all i do is race around with evos, stis, fast ___ civics with k20's...Soon, hopefully, they'll be running around with a fast ___ TC!!

Magnus213

iTrader: (1)

With all of the modification you'd have to do to be truly fast, your tC would no longer feel or drive like it does now.

Nick06tC

It seams like you are totally ignoring the fact you can build the tC engine. You sound like your set on a enw platform, so just do it.
Have you researched with our engines can handle?

2fast4you

Rado uses a 2.7 liter truck engine (from 1995-2004 Tacoma) in his drag car, not the engine from the tC. Rado's time attack car uses a built tC engine with 22-25 lbs of boost capable of laying down 440-500+ whp.

Build your current engine (pistons, rods, P&P head, valves), and add a turbo with an equal length manifold and 3" piping. But no matter what you do, you'll have to run down STi's and Evo's from a dead stop.

Spect2K3

That sounds crazy.........



Wanna be original??? I say go for it! haha!

draxcaliber

okay, seriously, unless you have some deep pockets, don't try to build a car comparable to christian rado's tc's.

next, you can spend several grand for a tc that can walk evo's and sti's and even 350z. but you know what, for several grand, they can make their cars walk you and zo6's, vipers, porsches and so on. don't get caught up spending money trying to have the fastest car on the road. unless you have the money for a bugotti veyron, you'll never have the fastest car on the road. just set a power level you want to achieve that will make you happy to drive it everyday.

i say start with a zpi stage 0, 230 whp, not enough, upgrade it to a stage 1, 300 whp. still not enough, try a stage 1.5 on, make 350 whp and so on. but to just try and go from 160 hp to 400+ is a big step, and alot of work.

Go4shoped

Honestly, if you want a high potential motor to swap into your tc, look for a 3vzfe. If you can find one you can build one hell of a motor out of that.

It comes out of the gen3 camrys where it had to be detuned to produce less horsepower than it easily could generate because it was built better than the supra motor of its time (7mgte).

It comes STOCK with forged internals. And it is generally capable of 450hp on the stock block via nitrous. I'm not too familiar with how much boost you can throw at.(CR is 9.6:1)

I have seen a twin turbo 3vz somewhere on my old forum with vids on streetfire. It took out an old supercharged vette. That was in a gen3 camry which is HEAVIER than the tc.

So all in all, you want a swap while sticking to toyota? Go with a 3vzfe.

Dont understand what i just said? You've got a long way til you can even consider doing an engine swap.

pinoyFMtC

Very true. 3RZ-FE, right??

Zebman

Was the Gen3 Camry fwd?

draxcaliber

wow! learn something new everyday!

3VZ-FE

The 3VZ-FE came to life when Toyota recognized that it needed a larger V6 engine to suit the then-upcoming 3rd generation Camry platform. Its basic design incorporates an updated version of the last revision of the 3VZ-E's block, mated with the Yamaha designed and built DOHC (24 valve) FE V6 heads, and Toyota's most advanced OBD-I control system. The upper aluminum intake manifold has is a split chamber intake manifold with Toyota's ACIS varriable intake system feeding three sets of runners for both heads.
Parts-wise, the 3VZ-FE shares very little with previous engines, including the 3VZ-E, and 2VZ-FE. The few parts shared with the 3VZ-E that are interchangeable are the main bearings; little else is the same. In a surprising twist, no electronics from other Toyota (Denso) parts are swappable.
It is a smooth running engine that was used as the 3.0 L V6 engine on the Camry platform between 1992 and 1997.5 depending on the market: North America saw the engine only in 1992 and 1993, while Australia and New Zealand had it from 1992 through 1996, and the engine was available in some parts of Asia, and in the JDM Toyota Windom through 1997.5.
The 1992-1993 engine has 185 hp (138 kW) at 5800 rpm and 189 ft·lbf (256 N·m) at 4600 rpm. 1994+ have 200 hp (149 kW) at 5800 rpm and 204 ft·lbf (277 N·m) at 4600 rpm. There is no mechanical difference in the engine. In an embarrassing move, Toyota inadvertently created an engine competing with the more performance oriented 7M-GE and 1JZ-GE installed in sportier, more luxurious cars of the time. Because of this, both stock ignition timing, and fuel tuning were set more conservatively than normal capping power output.
The power spread of the 3VZ-FE is wide, having 100% torque at just 2500 rpm - 4600 rpm, with power trailing off by 6000 rpm. Stock redline is 6850 rpm, and the ECU's fuel/ignition cut is over 7000 rpm. The valvetrain was designed for no float over the stock programmed operational range.
Though harder to find in good used condition in North America (unless imported), the 3VZ-FE is a fairly common V6 in most parts of the world, after having a good lifespan in popular models. They are cheap, simple, have few problems, and have become a semi-popular subject for engine swaps.
The 3VZ-FE also started Toyota's trend of severely overbuilding their production V6 engines. Having a larger forged steel crankshaft, and large cast rods, they are capable of more than doubling stock power output easily. With a few nitrous, and turbocharged examples matching, or exceeding 450 hp (336 kW) on both the stock engine, and stock engine management with a piggyback/interceptor controlling fuel/ignition.

and all camry's are front wheel drive, come on now!