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Old 05-10-2005 | 07:25 AM
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i've driven 100-110mph for a good 30-45 minutes on the interstate with the sunroof open all the way and notice any problems.

when I topped my car out (127mph) I also had the sunroof openned all the way and I don't have any problems.
Old 05-10-2005 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DouBLeJ16
i've driven 100-110mph for a good 30-45 minutes on the interstate with the sunroof open all the way and notice any problems.

when I topped my car out (127mph) I also had the sunroof openned all the way and I don't have any problems.
Were you in 3rd or 4th gear when doing 127MPH?

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Old 05-10-2005 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fedcop
I think I'd like to weigh in. Fist of all I've been driving for 35 years and I buy a new car every 3-4 yrs. I have had my scion tc less then a month and have a small stone chip/crack (3/8") already in the windshield. (which BTW you can still see somewhat after the "repair" )I have NEVER had a windshield break let alone chip on any car. My last car was a 02 wrangler whose windshield looked sand blasted from hits (almost at a 90 degree angle) but NO CHIPS OR CRACKS. I find it interesting that many new buyers of TCs are experiencing this problem.
Just because you got a chip or crack in your windshield does not mean there is a problem with your windshield! That's the silliest thing I've heard... It can happen on any car anywhere! It's a chance of luck! And there ARE NOT so many tcs' that are having problems. One thread with a few people posting (some of which arn't having any trouble) about their problems are not alot! I've had my tc since June 8th and my only problems are some rattles(those are in most cars) and some dents from some _______ that parks next to me! Maybe something is wrong with the sheet metal? Lets have a recall.....
Old 05-10-2005 | 04:02 PM
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Lets say it was rock damage that caused the deflector to break, so what, its still a bad choice of deflector material. If it has the potential to cause accidents (which it sounds like it does), then its a bad design. But since this investigation is for air pressure, well all just have to wait and see what the results are.
Old 05-10-2005 | 10:29 PM
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Dear Blue.
Cool your jets man...I was merely making an observation. Oh and BTW do you know for a fact that the windshield angle is acute or not???
Dear Captain,
Read my thread entitled "WIND DEFLECTOR", and you will see that it was probably NOT a rock and with this design, tempered glass is a pefectly sound choice.
Old 05-10-2005 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fedcop
Dear Blue.
Cool your jets man...I was merely making an observation. Oh and BTW do you know for a fact that the windshield angle is acute or not???
Dear Captain,
Read my thread entitled "WIND DEFLECTOR", and you will see that it was probably NOT a rock and with this design, tempered glass is a pefectly sound choice.
Dear fedcop,

if you read my post, you will see that I was actually responding to OTHER PEOPLE who said it was a ROCK!. i personally made no claim to know whether it was rock or air pressure damage. And no it is not a good choice of material especially since rocks WILL often hit it, just like rocks that hit the windshield. Windshields dont shatter, but the deflector does!
Old 05-11-2005 | 02:50 PM
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Dear Captain,
I wasnt accusing you of anything, merely making an observation.
I originally agreed that glass was a poor choice of material. However after examing the deflector I observed that it moves down under pressure rather easily. The faster you drive the more it moves down. At at about 95mph it's almost flat. This is why I doubt it broke from air pressure or even a rock. I still suspect faulty installation.
Now upon further investigation I have noticed one more thing that seems to be different from other cars. These glass panels unlike other cars sun roofs dont have a rubber edging around it's perimeter. The edge of tempered glass is the weakest point.
The most vunerable position would be when it is in the up position. But this only occurs when the car is still or going very slow. So you eliminate the force applied by your vehicles speed AND the speed of the rock combined to just the speed of the rock. Anyhting's possible, but I still think it is a problem with the installation.
Old 05-11-2005 | 10:48 PM
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Dear Captain tC:
I'm just simply saying any windshield can chip or crack! Everyone knows that... And why does it matter if the windsheild is acute? That makes no sense, I know it was a joke but it still made no sense. Again any windsheild on any vehicle can chip or crack, It's glass. BTW I'm coooool I'm just saying....
Old 05-12-2005 | 11:57 AM
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Actually I'm not joking... for this height vehicle the angle of the windshield may be exactly at the point where if a stone were to hit it it would cause a chip more often, rather then skip off. Simply, a change of a 1/4 degree could make a world of differnece. It can also involve many other subtle fractors any of which would only require a very minor change to effect a different out come. Somethimes R&D involves trial and error.
Old 05-27-2005 | 03:25 AM
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this is something everyone should know about!
Old 05-27-2005 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by basilisk4
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I have failed to find the portion that states you cannot drive at those speeds with it open.
You might want to try re-reading the manual. I am not saying it's in there because someone told me it was; I remember seeing it myself when I read the manual. Toyota should not be held liable for other people's stupidity, nor should they be expected to.
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The car is suppose to be designed to perform under normal operating conditions and accomodate the average everyday driver who does not read the car manual in detail. A person who is more than likely to drive on the highway with the sunroof fully open. If the sunroof is suppose to be as fragile as you claim (which I dont believe its meant to be) , then there should be huge warning labels on it.
Just because the average car buyer is stupid and lazy doesn't make it okay, and it certainly doesn't mean that Toyota should be held responsible for other people's laziness. It's a sad commentary of how stupid, lazy, and greedy so many people have become in our society that we HAVE to have the ridiculous warning labels of which you speak.
that sir, is just dumb (nothing personal). a manufacturer always engineers to the lowest common denominator. that is to say they presume you are an idiot, they have to. it is not unreasonable to assume a person will drive on the freeway with the sunroof open. many, many cars can do so without blowing up. for toyota to say "here is a beautiful sunroof for you. you have no choice in ordering it, we are giving it to you, just don't use it like other sunroofs and open it on the freeway" is unreasonable.

if that is their position, which i see no evidence as of yet that it is, it will not hold water. this potential defect has nothing to do with stupid owners. one should be able to use the sunroof at highway speeds. if one can't, the sunroof by definition is defectively designed, regardless of whether the manufacturer suggests how you use it. it's a freakin' sunroof! it should be able to be open at all foreseeable speeds.
Old 06-07-2005 | 04:17 AM
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please issue a fix!
Old 06-07-2005 | 05:17 AM
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I'm on day 11 without my tc because of this happening to my car. Windows were up and roof was closed driving 70 on the interstate.

those who have had this happen be sure your dealership checks to make sure glass debris has not falling into your curtain airbags as well.
Old 06-08-2005 | 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Six3
I'm on day 11 without my tc because of this happening to my car. Windows were up and roof was closed driving 70 on the interstate.

those who have had this happen be sure your dealership checks to make sure glass debris has not falling into your curtain airbags as well.
Did you file a complaint with the NHTSA?
Old 06-09-2005 | 03:21 AM
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gee sounds like the Tc is a bad seed......hummmmm
Old 06-10-2005 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HAHAHA
gee sounds like the Tc is a bad seed......hummmmm
Wow, then I guess so is Porche, BMW, Cadillac, Acura, Honda, Astin Martin, Mistubishi and about a million others who ALREADY have RECALLS (not just investigations) against their 2005 models. Your persistence in bashing the tC is only outdone by your excruciating lack of intelligence
Old 06-10-2005 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by HAHAHA
gee sounds like the Tc is a bad seed......hummmmm
Cybergypsy?
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