ChILLaXTodAMaX, have you test driven both vehicles? If not, you should.

I recently test drove the new Cobalt because I was bored and my friend is a Chevy Salesman (he drives a Scion). Boy was I disappointed. Granted it is not the G6 and does cost less, but should make for a fair comparison. The car seemed cheap and overpriced. The interior was hideous and poorly configured. You couldn't adjust the driver's seat with the door closed. Various other parts of the interior caused me great stress in my five minutes behind the wheel. The handling sucked a whole lot. The car has more body roll than my E350 Van. My old '91 Cavalier was a better car than the new Cobalt.

I'm not terribly biased as far as domestics vs. imports. My first two cars were Chevy Cavaliers. I loved them. I drove from New Orleans to Indiana and back in one that was 11 years old with no problems. Nonetheless, I see the tC as far superior to the current gen GM's. In fact, I may go test drive a G6 myself just to compare.

 

Umm tC all the way. I dont care if you are gonna get a car in 4-5 years..it's all about if you want to spend those years taking your car in for repairs all the time. IF you dont care and want a car that will be in the shop all the time by all means get the G6.

If you want a car that that you will have fun in, have no problems with, for the 4-5 years. Then Get the Scion tC

I had a GM car before and actually still own (should have traded it in )..and i will never ever buy one again!

 

the shift tronic is nothing great. its just up and down like a video game and theres lag between the gears when u shift.

 

AHHH! almost like a 4dr tC. Gm still sucks HA!

 

i believe the tc is a better buy... all these domestics are trying like crazy w/ rebates / employee pricing its all just a cover up for a crappy american car... IMPORT ALL THE WAY

 

Well, I have to things to say in response to your decision making process...

1) I know you're reading crap on here about "this rattles, that rattles, everything rattles, blah blah blah" but don't let that discourage you. I have had my car for 4 months now and haven't noticed a damn thing wrong with it except for the dud subwoofer I got at installation, but that was resolved in a pretty painless manner. Plus, realize that EVERY new car (G6 is a new model too, is gonna have its share of problems. Just because they haven't been mentioned yet ...or possibly have (??) doesn't mean it's gonna be the "best new sport coupe") and I agree with whoever said it's the Grand Am v2.0 lol

2) Some people have posted here that the tC is a "Chick car"



Remind me please... how many MIDDLE AGED WOMEN did Oprah Winfrey give a brand new G6 to? 200? 300? Something like that...
(At least most of the girls/women driving the tC are still in the target age group... At least in the northwest they are..)

I personally would say go with the tC. Yeah they're the same price almost because of the employee discount, but Toyota holds a resale value MUCH better than Pontiac. And depending on the dealership, you may get some kickbacks for "brand loyalty"


Plus, you wouldn't have driven a Toyota for 5 years if it was a P.O.S. right?

 

With all the similarities to Toyota cars, I had to do a little research on the G6 base parts and found this..

"The all-new 2005 Pontiac G6 is built in Michigan on GM's international Epsilon platform, from parts and ideas that used on the Saab 9-3, Opel Vectra, Chevrolet Malibu sedan and Malibu Maxx wagonette, all introduced over the past two years."
http://www.nctd.com/review-walk.cfm?...&ReviewID=1630
G6 = 6th generation Grand Am.

Remember Pontiac sold the Vibe which was esentially a Matrix made ugly. Add the Pontiac name badge and you get a Toyota with a resale value $2-3K less than the real thing.

If you're trading the car in 4-5 years anyway, get the TC, for resale value alone. The G6 looks like a great car and probably will hold up just as well as the TC, but the Pontiac stigma reduces its value. It takes a LOT to convince the general public that anything is as good as a Toyota, Honda, or Mercedes.

I own a Mitsubishi, but I plan to run it into the ground. Warranty is more of a factor than resale to me.

 

Toyota no question...

Couple things, it sounds like you havent driven and compared them. The G6 looks nice, drives like poop. The TC drives and looks nice (could use better seats tho to hold you in tighter).

The G6 was sold at MSRP... people bouht them, GM then said, lets lower ALL GM products with this new employee discount. How do you think those people felt when there 1-2 month old G6 just lost 2k in value because of something GM did? I would never buy any domestic new...

Both Ford and GM constantly do stuff like that and it ruins resale value (esp in the short term) and is the number one reason I would never buy domestic new.

 

I am currently driving GM car, come from a family that has always had GM cars. It is funny that our family has dubbed GM cars as throw away cars. We have had problems with every single vehicle that we have owned. I making the switch to scion/toyota and recommend if you want more indepth explainations about the problems email me. You will not believe the problems that I have had personally.

 

Reasons to get a TC over a G6:
1. Better resale value
2. Toyota Reliability
3. Better aftermarket support

 

Not sure if I understand your question. . . a true SMG is a real, bonafide manual transmission that is controlled via a computer, usually by hydraulics. Examples: F1, BMW M3, Ferrari, Maserati, Toyota MR2 Spyder

A Shiftronic or manumatic or "sport" shift transmission is EXACTLY the same as any other automatic, except you have the option use a button or a lever to change gears, instead of moving from D to 3 to 2 to L. There is no point to such a tranny, as you can do the same in any auto. . . and the shifts aren't exactly fast either way. You don't even see the increased power to the wheels that you would see with a manual. The only use would be to hold a gear, which you can do in the first place. So the only point would be for added "enjoyment." Examples: G6, Lexus IS300, Porsche Boxster, Dodge Caravan, Dodge Stratus (one of the first to have it offered), Hyundai XG350

But SMG or not, it has been track proven that letting the computer do the work allows for the fastest track times.

 

AND TO THOSE WHO ARE CRITICIZING GM:

I'm not a fan of GM either, but if you are mocking their quality based on their prices and incentives, you have no idea what you are talking about. They don't have to lower their prices because they are "crap," but rather because they are horrible businessmen.

In fact, GM sells more cars nationwide and globally than Toyota. You could even argue that they are a better company (but I wouldn't go that far, as that is rediculous). The reason why GM has to offer incentives is because they over produce, and inaccurately estimate demand.

How long did you have to wait for your Scion? Odds are, most of you had to wait, or choose only from a hand full available. It's called Toyota JIT (just in time). Only allotting what you need. Doing so, reduces the major cost in sales-- depreciation sitting on a dealer lot. Thus there is never a need for an incentive, beyond competition.

GM on the other hand, never really slows production, and plows through cars throughout the year. When sales unexpectedly go down, they are stuck with TONS of cars on the lot, losing value. The answer? INCENTIVES!!! Thus, buying a GM car right now may yield a very good bargain right now. . . although I personally wouldn't buy one anyway.

 

g6 has 41 more hp than a tc but 400 more pounds in curb weight so it all even out in a 100lb/10hp ratio the g6 has 8 speakers beating the tc // tc has better mileage // tc has a betterexterior in my opinion G6 has the better interior with my radio control steering wheel and// g6 has shifttronic ( even though it has both transmission its been proven in its auto matic and manual mode each mode is bad in its standards since its not dedicated to transmission. \\ tc has its toyota reliablity and if you plan on selling it in the near future it will be easier sold than the g6

but overall you should get the g6

overall i

 

sorry for the grammar and spelling mistakes and extras.. was watchin tv and typing at the same time

 

If anyone reads any type of finacial news, you know that GM, FORD, and DODGE is hurting. I have a buddy who has a brand new silverado, he told me GMAC is going away and being bought out by other companies. Hard to believe they sell more cars and are in the state they are in.

 

Yes GM sells more cars than Toyota. But Toyota is #2 right after GM. And Toyota makes double the profits of both GM and Ford combined. (I read that somewhere). Its QUALITY not QUANITY that is important.

And I am sure the G6 will run years problem free as any new car should. So if you decide to buy the G6, you will be fine. Only concern as everyone is pointing out is resale value. And I would start to worry about the how the G6 will perform at the 100K miles mark. The engine may be fine, but Im sure you will have to fix a ton of other problems which can be costly.

 

yea. lol damn u guys are good at convincing. I think I am gonna go with a tC cuz the shiftronics thing I can get over. I've wanted a tC from the start. It wasnt until about 2 months ago that I saw it sitting in the testing garage at work and said DAMN that looks nice. i'm goin with my heart!!

and I havent driven either cars yet. thats cuz I'm always so bothered by the sales people barkin at me after I test drive. Most of them wanna make the deal right then and there. I really should take the time to drive it and see how it goes.

one more question though. It seems like some of you guys used to drive imports and are sticking to imports. Is the tC of the same reliability, build, and integrity as the imports you have driven? My family owns a Honda C-RV, Honda Accord, Toyota Corolla, and previously owned a Camry. I know this car comes from a Camry chassis, but does it feel like its made by Toyota and has the reputation of an import?

thanks again for all of your responses!

 

Scion tC isn't made from a Camry Chasis, rather the engine and tranny is. the platform is from a european toyota design known as the Avensis. I'd say Go tC..u'd be making a better decision....
On a side note about the G6 coupe looking like the solara and the G6 tailights looking like the scion tC's...I wouldn't doubt that toyota has been selling design concepts or parts to GM..they did it with the matrix/vibe...

 

Go with the Tc. The G6 resale value is gonna be in the toilet just like every other gm midsize car.

 

oh oops. I was always under the impression that the chassis was the same. i knew the engine was. looks like I learned something new today!