tC would be the better choice here overall because its fast, its lasts, and its going to keep you happy for a long time. The G6 is kinda like something you do once. It has a lot of power, will kick any tC's a$$, and looks damn good but it wont be money well spent. GM makes pretty good cars and while some cars have had problems, I would still feel confident in buying from them again. Ive owned a 99 Grand Am v6 and a 93 Bonneville v6 and both cars ran perfect. They had crazy torque too especially the Bonneville. tC is going to be way more moddable right now (if thats your style) but Im guessing the G6 will have some wicked mods of its own pretty soon if not already. If I was in your shoes I would probably get the G6 if the prices were pretty much the same but seeing as how normally the G6 is more expensive I would choose the tC. But I guess I havent really helped you any. lol

 

Another reason to go with the tC is that you can build on the tC. Even though the car has only been out for 13 months, already there's lots of after market parts for it. That will only grow. Toyota designed and marketed the car that way. You get a blank canvass when you buy a stock tC. I'm not so sure if the G6 will catch on with the after market as much.

The tC is definately a cool car, and is "the" car to have. The G6 is probably a good car - I've never driven one - but the tC will boost your ego.

Steve

 

No, they are offering huge incentives because they over priced there cars. GM is lowering their prices after the employee discount. And they have that Union thing that sucks all thier money, they spend 5k on each car for health insurance.

The G6 is a pretty nice car, I particularly like the seats as they are very comfy. The new mustang is a big hit, but Ford is still in a lot of trouble becuase they can't manufacture anything. Most Mustangs vary in total size...I have a friend at Saleen who swears he hasn't seen two ford mustange that are the same out of the factory. Chrysler has great engineering...and thats it. BLEEHHHH products, (I will never get a chrysler)

GM and FORD are getting better bit by bit, but becuase thy had so many sales lately the G6 will have terrible resale value. There will be many many many people getting rid of them in 4-6 years.

However if you get a tC that means there will be another one in MI when I am there for School. I did see one in detroit a few days ago though. Ahh, I can still claim to be the only tC in Flint I guess. Bah...Flint...

 

*reads entire post*eh, I knew this was gonna happen. I say G6.

But go test drive the cars and see what you think.

 

Of course, and I never said the G6 was better. If you read my entire post, you'd realize that I was trying to say that price and incentives are not a sign of a bad product, but over production. Quality is more relevant than quantity, so Toyota being #2 after GM doesn't mean a thing in your rebuttle. Furthermore, if Toyota is more profitable than the other other companies, that means less consumer surplus (versus producer surplus) is being passed on to the consumer. . . which hurts your argument. More simply put, the more profitable a company, the more ripped off their customers are.

But personally I think the tC is an overall better car, quality wise. However, you would be foolosh to completely redicule GM, just because it offers incentives. In fact, the G6 is a great bargain right now. However, for resale purposes and quality, I'd still go Toyota over GM.

 

I'd have to say both cars are equal. Okay, tC is a toyota, but common...it's not flagship. You give the tC far too much credit. The G6 seems to fail a bit from what it seems like GM wants to accomplish, but it's still a decent car. Looks sporty. Though if you take a look at the ownership cost over a 5 year period the G6 will cost you 5grand more to own than the tc.

http://www.intellichoice.com/reports...model=0&trim=0

 

STORY TELLING TIME

i met this girl who had an american car, costed X amount(i forgot the car and value), few years down the road, perfect car! ran good and all, but she got into an accident, and she still owes money on the car, the insurance co only want to pay less than the amount she owes due to the car value. no gap insurance neither so she got mad and was trying to get a scion( i actually met her at the scion dealership as i was picking up my tC so this story kinda went from 1 side of my ear to the other ), but they said she gotta pay the rest of her other car in order for her to finance the scion she wants. So she got jewed and screwed for gettin an american car. Btw did i mention not all american cars are shizzy cars? she just got screwed by the depreciation of the car cuz it's a domestic car

 

I would suggest a tC. My recommendation is by far leaning towards the tC. My brother used to work for Sitel a GM Customer Service Company for people with complaints about warranty not being honoredd for GM products (automotive) when they should be. To get to the point, don't expect to get good support from GM unless you are willing to have GM dealerships to service your vehicle. Loyalty to GM via dealership service gives you a little help from GM but not much! My mom has a 02 Cadillac Deville and all 4 power windows had to be replaced twice because the regulator failed. There was an oil leak that was mentioned several times during routine maintenance and nothing was done. (Dealer did all the service). They put in the wrong oil weight. a $40,000+ vehicle that has these kind of problems says it all. Toyota has an excellent service rating. That's why I bought a tC instead of the Cobalt.

 

You may be getting more power with the g6...but the tC still hits 0-60 a second faster and is .6 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile. Also, i don't know what kind of g6 is priced at 20k (u said 3k off for discount...which puts it at 17k same as tC), but that must be barebone nothing in it. Get a tC, it rides smoother, accelerates faster, but the g6 does handle better (nothing to worry, just get the TRD lowering springs and hotchiks front/rear sway bars and the tC will destroy it). Also the tC should keep its value much more than the G6 and it will last longer (toyota = 10-15 year life expectancy...gm = 3-5 years). So for less money, you get more performance, more options, more value...You do the math.


edit : And another thing....a 3.5L v6 only putting out 200hp....thats weak...very very very weak...nissan hit the 300hp mark on a 3.5L 2 years ago. German > Japanese > American. End of story.

 

I'm always in my friend's G6. He got it about a month ago(part of that employee discount for everyone deal), and with the options he got, the car came out to be almost 25k (w/ taxes, tags, etc...) It drives nice, has a somewhat sporty feel to it. But having driven both cars a good number of times, I would never even think of getting the G6 over the tC. My old car was a 97 stratus, one of the first cars to use that manumatic shifting (dodge calls it Autostick). I've ripped apart my engine and tranny several times, not one difference between a regular auto and the autostick. It's simply a different gear selector lever mated to a slightly modified TCM. The auto tranny is still sucking up about 15% of your crank HP, and the shifts are slightly delayed. For proof that the autostick does nothing, we took it to the track and ran several times mixing up regular shifting with manual shifting. The automatic times were always marginally faster than when I manually shifted. The only time I find it useful is when I'm on the parkway and want to pass someone, I just tap the lever to the left and the car pops into 3rd, avoiding the delayed kickdown. But you can do that on any auto by moving the gear lever into 3.

 

dodge intrepid... same thing, died on me the first day i got it -_-

currently in the junk yard cuz 3 kids stole a car and was running from a cop chase... hit a pump and flew on to my car... i'll show 1 picture of it only because it's off topic

n e way, yeah ditto to what he said about the tranny, it stinks, u can't even rev the engine high or the o2 sensor will be have problems

 

Wow,

You pic is off topic, but you might have to explain that one in further detail.

 

Yeah, the 02 senser comment makes little sense

 

Yet again I'm forced to post and explain how freakin' sick I am of ignorant little boys who say things like "GM's quality gets worse every year" and "if you plan on keeping it more than 5 years, go IMPORT." Yeah, I called each and every one of you an ignorant little boy (or girl). GM's (and Chrysler's) quality has been steadily IMPROVING for each of the last 5 years. Car and Driver called the interior of the GTO the "best ever." Buick and Cadillac are rated higher in initial quality and long-term reliability by J.D. Power and Assoc. than BMW or Volkswagen. The numbers all tell a far different story than you guys do with your blind "American cars suck" attitude. But hey, those American cars just suck. You morons. How about we just look at "cars" instead of trying to stereotype them based on the location of the head office.

Regarding the original post, I think that it's a tough dilemma. I looked at the G6 sedan before I bought my tC (but couldn't afford it) and the exterior is a bit boring, but the interior is fabulous and very well put-together. The fit and finish were impressive and I do love the shiftronic shifter. I wish that the tC were available with that option. To the guy who said it looks like the next version of the Grand Am... that's because it IS you genius. It just happens to be on an all-new platform and shares zero parts with its ancestor.

My feeling is, if you can get the G6 for the same money, get the G6. You're getting a 210 horsepower V6 that gets almost the same gas mileage as our 160hp 4 cylinder. You're getting something that not everyone has yet. You can get things that the tC doesn't even offer, like leather seats. You can still get a great sunroof in the HUGE 4-panel sunroof. The cars are in two entirely different classes. And this advice is coming from a VERY happy tC owner, so take it for what it is.

 

I sit (not stand) corrected in my xB: take a look at this article. It's right on with your comments about overpricing. Btw, tC would've been my choice for a coupe when shopping for new car.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/02/au...=5070&emc=eta1

And, this one about MSRP and sticker pricing from Bloomberg today:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a273yfETDP9I

 

Who am I?

I am a car company that rebadges my vehicles and changes the fascia and markets them under 1000000 different makes.

If you answered GM you are correct.

The last time we mingled GM and Toyota we got the Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix.

 

Wow, whos the little kid now temper boy??

I never said that it was questionable it was the next Grand Am "you genius". No **** is the next one. My complaint is that they make nothing new, they continue to remake the styles they have had out forever. And it is killing them. If you dont believe me read up on the copanies predicament right now.

Wow, a 210 HP v6 that our 160 HP 4 banger can keep up with, if not outrun. Very impressive huh?? That extra HP does nothing but help propel the heavier car. 4 cyl and 8 cyl typically tend to be more reliable than a V6 (at least out of all the ones I have every seen or worked on), so exactly what will you gain? And from my dealer and practically every other one I have heard about , you can order the Katzkin leather as well.

And sorry, but I base my quality comments on mine and others experiences both driving AND working on these cars, not on magazine articles and JD Power.

I also do not like stereotyping by country, and would buy american in a heartbeat if the product I wanted was offered in the same quality. I am all for supporting our economy instead of others. I also own a saturn, which, depending on the tC has been the most reliable car i have every had and worked on besides a 1978 Corolla with over 300,000 miles on the original engine.

You make some valid points, but show your maturity when the name calling starts.

 

^^^

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo TAKE THAT!!! hahaha

But... tC is better. : P

 

Hardcore tC-ites if I ever saw any.

Also, to the guy who said 210 horses to a 3.5 is weak, can you try to not use the company that makes the BEST V6's around? thats like comparing Winblows to Linux, its stupid and redundant because you already know which one is better.

Also, I'd trust JD Power and the magazines more because the odds that they'll be biased(like just about everyone here has been) is slim to none.

The last GM products I've been in, the quality was pretty good, the thing was all around good, except for the gas mileage(but it was a TrailBlazer, so thats understandable). Point is, dont go off judging a book by its cover, or going on a tangeant because you drive the stupid civic...excuse me, tC.

And yes, I'll say it once again, I'd get the G6, because, i dont know about where you are, but here, everyone and their mom owns a tC. and I'd love to be able to drive around the corner from my house and not be have to see a civic, i mean, tC, sorry, its so hard to tell the difference..

 

whatever you do, ditch the shifttronic and get a stick! or just get a tC in stick and that'll solve all your problems!