Two questions on driving stick
#21
i have tips:
1. if you are cruising in parking lot, even at 5mph, use second gear. In my experience, first is your takeoff gear and thats really it. i never cruise in first. either neutral or second.
2. its not necessarily good to 'feather' the clutch (for example, on a slight incline to keep your car from rolling). I would recommend using the hand brake.
Lastly, the video i believe is showing what is known as "Double clutching". You clutch out of gear, then hit the gas quickly to get the rpms up.. now you clutch back into gear.. ala double clutched. (this is what vin deisel mentions in the fast/furious during the first race)
1. if you are cruising in parking lot, even at 5mph, use second gear. In my experience, first is your takeoff gear and thats really it. i never cruise in first. either neutral or second.
2. its not necessarily good to 'feather' the clutch (for example, on a slight incline to keep your car from rolling). I would recommend using the hand brake.
Lastly, the video i believe is showing what is known as "Double clutching". You clutch out of gear, then hit the gas quickly to get the rpms up.. now you clutch back into gear.. ala double clutched. (this is what vin deisel mentions in the fast/furious during the first race)
#22
Originally Posted by vanberge
i have tips:
1. if you are cruising in parking lot, even at 5mph, use second gear. In my experience, first is your takeoff gear and thats really it. i never cruise in first. either neutral or second.
2. its not necessarily good to 'feather' the clutch (for example, on a slight incline to keep your car from rolling). I would recommend using the hand brake.
Lastly, the video i believe is showing what is known as "Double clutching". You clutch out of gear, then hit the gas quickly to get the rpms up.. now you clutch back into gear.. ala double clutched. (this is what vin deisel mentions in the fast/furious during the first race)
1. if you are cruising in parking lot, even at 5mph, use second gear. In my experience, first is your takeoff gear and thats really it. i never cruise in first. either neutral or second.
2. its not necessarily good to 'feather' the clutch (for example, on a slight incline to keep your car from rolling). I would recommend using the hand brake.
Lastly, the video i believe is showing what is known as "Double clutching". You clutch out of gear, then hit the gas quickly to get the rpms up.. now you clutch back into gear.. ala double clutched. (this is what vin deisel mentions in the fast/furious during the first race)
Back to the original question at hand: Practice cruising at low speeds in 2nd, then when you get the whole feel thing goin... you can do it in first... but the more torque you have, the more sensitive the "light touch on the gas" is... if it begins to jerk, then push the clutch pedal all the way down to neutralize... PS: Dropping clutch is when the clutch plate is quickly engaged with the flywheel (which rotates based on your engine RPMs)... so when you "drop clutch" youre actually letting OFF the clutch PEDAL really quick
#23
Originally Posted by SpdLmtNA
Just to clarify, Im not flaming anyone... but double clutching is ONLY used when downshifting on older cars... this is done because the syncro's in the gears are practically non-existent... cars today have excellent syncros... and there is abs no need to double clutch... vin diesel used the term completely wrong
hmm.. just as a thought, i don't think anyone should follow what they see on the Fast and the Ridiculous
#24
i was quite sure that race drivers use double clutch teqnique.
i could be wrong though, who knows. If that driver is not double clutching, then what was he doing? having a seizure?
About downshifting.. If you're not racing, theres not really a need to. Just throw it in neutral and coast to a stop. Downshifting will just decrease your mgp in normal driving.
i could be wrong though, who knows. If that driver is not double clutching, then what was he doing? having a seizure?
About downshifting.. If you're not racing, theres not really a need to. Just throw it in neutral and coast to a stop. Downshifting will just decrease your mgp in normal driving.
#25
Originally Posted by woodstock
Originally Posted by SpdLmtNA
Just to clarify, Im not flaming anyone... but double clutching is ONLY used when downshifting on older cars... this is done because the syncro's in the gears are practically non-existent... cars today have excellent syncros... and there is abs no need to double clutch... vin diesel used the term completely wrong
hmm.. just as a thought, i don't think anyone should follow what they see on the Fast and the Ridiculous
(Try it this way, do it verrrry slowly, step by step, then when you get used to it, you can do it really quickly without the RPMs dropping all the way down to idle...
1) Clutch Pedal Down: RPMs drop
2) With the Clutch Pedal All the way down, tap the gas once or twice so the RPMs are raised to the RPM range of the mph you are traveling at, that you *think* 3rd gear will allow... like lets say youre going 45mph in 5th, then you want to maintain 45 mph, but in 3rd instead... then try to "rev match" the RPMs to coincide with the speed and gear youre at. Im not sure what your car car revs at in 3rd going 45 mph, but you could easily figure it out
3) anyway, AS SOON as youre RPMs are up there... LET all the way off the clutch pedal... it doesn have to be done smoothly, you can just quickly let off... and it'll grab... if you rev too low, get ready for a hard jerk... if you let off with the revs too high, it'll be a light jerk... and a lot better
so keep in mind its always better to over rev, than it is to under rev... when you use this rev matching technique
also, make sure when your revs are up there NOT to hold the gas pedal... because you'll end up riding your clutch
goodluck... and, once you got that down... you'll be really good with manual
#27
Originally Posted by Rivulent
Letting the car move with no throttle will show your revs beginning to decrease and choke - You are putting a lot of stress on your clutch when you do that, I believe.
but it really does come down to practice. one day, it will just all click... trust me.
#28
Originally Posted by vanberge
About downshifting.. If you're not racing, theres not really a need to. Just throw it in neutral and coast to a stop. Downshifting will just decrease your mgp in normal driving.
#30
Originally Posted by mikochu
I'm no shift monkey virtuoso...but I was told to go into neutral before rev-matching. Whether it's a safety precaution or what... I go into neutral, rev-match, then go into gear...
#31
#32
Originally Posted by mikochu
http://www.car-forums.com/s7/t4240.html
yup... I'll keep rev matching in neutral...
yup... I'll keep rev matching in neutral...
#33
Oh yeah... I also forgot to mention... do you really think a race car driver has time to put his/her car in neutral when rev matching...LOL
And those hardcore racecars have sequential gear sets... which means neutral is a long way down... take my word on this... and please look into it yourself, I want you to see it for yourself:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch1.htm
And those hardcore racecars have sequential gear sets... which means neutral is a long way down... take my word on this... and please look into it yourself, I want you to see it for yourself:
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch1.htm
#34
Originally Posted by 408tc
Originally Posted by vanberge
About downshifting.. If you're not racing, theres not really a need to. Just throw it in neutral and coast to a stop. Downshifting will just decrease your mgp in normal driving.
#35
Stupid question here, but I've never driven a stick before, and am about to get one... if I'm driving along at, say, 45 or 50 miles an hour on a local main road, and somebody cuts in front of me... do I have to brake and shift into neutral, or can I just let off the gas and apply the brake, leaving the engine in gear?
#36
Originally Posted by neverspeakawordagain
Stupid question here, but I've never driven a stick before, and am about to get one... if I'm driving along at, say, 45 or 50 miles an hour on a local main road, and somebody cuts in front of me... do I have to brake and shift into neutral, or can I just let off the gas and apply the brake, leaving the engine in gear?
You can actually leave it in gear all the way to a stop, but the engine will stall. In a panic stop situation, you generally want to put the clutch and brake in, which is second nature to me, but people new to manual transmissions sometimes just jam on the brakes, which works too.
In the situation you describe, a lot of times if I have to slow down a lot I will also grab a lower gear as I put on the brakes. That way, if I need to swerve out of the way or go around them, I'm in the right gear to have all my power available. More than once I've been saved by accelerating around or out of trouble, rather then slowing down for it.
#37
Originally Posted by viper1701
Originally Posted by 408tc
Originally Posted by vanberge
About downshifting.. If you're not racing, theres not really a need to. Just throw it in neutral and coast to a stop. Downshifting will just decrease your mgp in normal driving.
#38
Originally Posted by SpdLmtNA
Originally Posted by mikochu
I'm no shift monkey virtuoso...but I was told to go into neutral before rev-matching. Whether it's a safety precaution or what... I go into neutral, rev-match, then go into gear...
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission3.htm
#39
I just got my car yesterday... and after driving it around for a good four hours, i can conclude that the tC really isn't a great car for a beginner to learn stick on because of the clutch. it IS a bit on the jerky side, zizi, and i'll sympathize with you on that. but that's only first gear, the rest of the gears i think are great.
when you keep driving and practicing, you'll start to instinctively learn some fancy footwork when driving through parking lots and traffic where you're constantly depressing clutch, tapping accelerator, doing a balancing act to keep the car from dying and moving too fast... just keep driving and don't stress so much about burning clutch or anything.
someone asked me to do a simple write up comparing this car to my former IS300 so i'll be elaborating a little bit more in that post.
when you keep driving and practicing, you'll start to instinctively learn some fancy footwork when driving through parking lots and traffic where you're constantly depressing clutch, tapping accelerator, doing a balancing act to keep the car from dying and moving too fast... just keep driving and don't stress so much about burning clutch or anything.
someone asked me to do a simple write up comparing this car to my former IS300 so i'll be elaborating a little bit more in that post.
#40
tC is my first 5-speed car, so I had to learn on it. I did not have anyone to sit with me and show my mistakes - I knew the theory, I've read a lot of articles on learning the 5-speed, but I did get to a point of frustration when I thought that I made a big mistake buying a 5-speed. But after that peak of frustration everything got better. I'm pretty comfortable driving around now, still a little jerky at times, but at least I don't stall and not scared of hills and people stopping too close to me.
When I drove my buddy's 5-speed matrix I noticed that I can drive it much smoother than my tC - no idea why, but it did seem easier and more natural, though it was the first time I ever drove his car. I guess tC is special
When I drove my buddy's 5-speed matrix I noticed that I can drive it much smoother than my tC - no idea why, but it did seem easier and more natural, though it was the first time I ever drove his car. I guess tC is special