pio

ford focus zx3 SES...
16,958 auto and moon roof...
you can get it for much less in many places...
also..the focus have a bigger interior...

[;)]

pio

proof the Tc have it issues...
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66705

mytcbaby

Fix Or Repair Daily... Found On Road Dead

its just that simple, if you want something that is gunna last, go with anything toyota

pio

well...
my brother had a celica and it spent more time on the shop that on his hands...

also..
how many ford have you owned???

SVT4ME

See, this is what bugs me. I tried to at least make what I would consider a semi-intelligent response in this thread, hoping that perhaps the Scion owners would "step up their game" and make a serious reply and the best you can muster is that stupid old F.O.R.D. crap?

Draxas_VP

I dont think anyone is questioning the value of the Scion tC or its appearance.. or potential performance....

Not sure why "import" boards usually resort to "Ford" bashing.. I will have to put the blame on ignorance really. Our company supports the Ford Focus, Mazda3 and Scion tC. I already know how well the Focus performs on the road course and in auto cross... Im curious to see how the Scion tC does this Friday at our open track day

http://<a href="http://www.RedlineTr...Events.com</a>
Several of the SoCal tC Club members are coming out. Should be interesting.

SVT4ME

^^ I do appreciate your response. So far you have been one of the few people in this thread to keep an open mind, say it like you see it, and not just regurgitate the same tired old crap everyone has heard a thousand times.

engifineer

Well, as a person who has owned and worked on all make of cars with a father who runs a very reputable shop and friends who build many cars I will have to say I wouldnt reccomend a Focus or most any Ford for that matter. They have proven to me to be some of the worst engineered vehicles I have ever had hands on. The newer Focus is better than the old, but still nothing I would trust for long. Sure you can get power from one, but you can get tons of power from a mitsubishi as well and they are some of the most unreliable cars you could buy.. so from a quality standpoint I would stay away from the Focus IMO.

TimmyT

To be honest I don't really know much about the focus, except that it does really well in auto cross and rally it seems. But what i do know about the tC is that it has a pretty large 4 cyl engine wich is also pretty durable. The tC takes to mods really well, how the focus takes to mods i couldn't say. Apparently both cars are very fun to drive, the focus might have a larger interior, but the tC has it beat with all of its standard options(17" alloy wheels, cd/mp3 head unit, all glass panoramic roof [You can't say "Well we got a sun roof too" cause it just isn't the same] 4 wheel disc brakes with abs, 40/60 folding and reclining rear seats, driver knee, standard, and passanger side airbags, power everything, cruise control, m3 style mirrors, chrome exhaust tip, outside temp sensor [i dunno i love that button]) sheesh the list goes on and on. Show me a focus that has those standard features or even throw them on as options IF focus has them available for 16.5 grand.

SVT4ME

With regards to engifineer's comments: fine, you wouldn't recommend a Ford. Good for you. He didn't ask what you would recommend. He's already owned it for some time, obviously, if he's been leasing it and is starting to think about the "next" car, so advice about the Focus is totally irrelevant. What he asked for was this:

"Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and was hoping you could help me out with some things. Currently, I'm leasing a Ford Focus and my lease is up in March. I've started looking into the Scion tC for my possible next car, but had some questions for ya. There doesn't seem to be a lot of "official" performance parts for the tC. Are there a lot of aftermarket parts available? Are there any turbos or superchargers available? Also, how many different body kits are out for the tC? The Focus seems to offer a lot of different options, but I'm just not crazy about my zx3 hatchback look. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks."

I don't see anything in there asking "would you be so kind as to insult my choice of car?" Or, "if you can come up with a lame insult for Ford, please feel free to do so, and by all means ignore what I was actually asking." It says "any feedback" but the obvious implication there is any feedback ABOUT THE SCION! Get over yourselves. Some of you act like you have some sort of moral superiority because you made the "right" choice when it came to a car.

kungpaosamuraiii

So.. about the tC.. it's got a great community to go with it.

engifineer

Calm down svt guy... the topic was about the advantages of the scion over ford.... so I gave my opinion. Sorry you dont like it.. .well, not really sorry at all. It is funny how you come on here and get all hissy if someone does not like your make of car. I never said anything out of sheer hate for the ford, only what I have seen with my own eyes.

SVT4ME

I'm perfectly calm, thank you. If you'll take a look at what I've said so far in this thread I have not said anything negative about the Scion. Scion owners, yes, but not the car. I'm not here to bash on the Scion. Again, the topic was NOT about the advantages of one car over the other. Did you even read what the questions he asked were? If he had left out the part about being on lease with a Focus (which if you actually read his post you'll see is more or less irrelevant information), this thread would have taken a completely different course.

Not everything I said in the "with regards to engifineer's" post was directed at you. Sorry about that. It's just annoying to read so many stupid comments that have no basis to them other than "my friend's car did this" or "I know all about Fords because I owned one once." So no, not everything I said was directed at you.

I like the Scion tC. I've even considered doing the same thing that someone else here said earlier, trading the SVT for a tC to get a change of pace. So I have to say I'm not exactly feeling a warm welcome from this community.

TimmyT

actually SVT4ME. The topic of this thread is "What are the Scion advantages over the Ford Focus?". the tC guys have made their advantages, yes some bashed the focus and I agree that wasn't needed. But what are some of the advantages of the Focus over the tC? Why shouldn't he buy a tC?

mytcbaby

Just cause its and old saying doesn't mean it isn't true. My dad gets a brand new ford taurus every 2 years for free. The problem is, they rarely make it to 2 years without falling apart. He has had about 5 or 6 taruses and he is so fed up that when I got my Scion he decided he wanted me to keep my truck so when the car breaks he can drive it... btw the truck is a TOYOTA tacoma and is 4 years older than his 2005. Weve never had a problem with any toyota we have had, we have had nothing but problems with every Ford... so don't say I haven't had experience. The only I will ever buy that is Ford is the Diesel trucks... and we happen to have one that we haven't had problems with yet but we just got it and its brand new. You can't say Im not informed on the matter. Plain and simple I love the USA but every American car we have owned has had problems (except the ford truck but its only a few months old), euro cars weve had, better than american but vw is going downhill... asian going strong in this family. just my .02 cents

Edited for dumb mistakes

nester

As much as I hate the wife's focus, I have to call BS on this... We have an 04 and it hasn't had any recalls.

SVT4ME

Well his thread title and what he actually seemed to be wanting to know don't quite match up, the title is a little misleading. As for why he shouldn't buy a tC, I never said he shouldn't. The only disadvantage I can see would be that he'll have another car payment to deal with if he gets a Scion. But since he's leasing the Focus, if he wants to keep it he'll have to buy it out. I don't care if he buys a tC, that's not my business. I just find it irritating that no one seems to be able to discuss the Focus without just resorting to lame commentary about how crappy it is.

If he kept the Focus, there is plenty of aftermarket to support it, you can do pretty much whatever your budget allows, right down to putting a V8/RWD conversion in if that's what floats your boat. Ford actually offers the kit for that, you can go order it at your local Ford dealer. Will it be the most reliable car on the road? Maybe, maybe not. My family had a 1993 Escort LX wagon for 10 years, putting 170+ thousand miles on it in that time, and it made it about 150,000 miles before having any problems, and even then one of the "problems" was a damaged windshield from flying debris. The other problem was that the heater core began leaking. I think that's pretty damn good, it's certainly better than what I was able to get out of my MR2.

mytcbaby, my dad had a Taurus for a company car as well. Was it crap? Yes it sure was. The Taurus has a pretty crappy history, but that doesn't mean ALL Fords are crap. Believe it or not Toyota has made some pretty crappy cars too. I don't see too many people proud of their Echo. Or their ancient early-'80's Tercel hatchback (they're not even on the road anymore, I haven't seen one in years - I wonder why). My family (extended family) has had plenty of import and domestic cars among us, and each one has had it's share of problems. No car is perfect. Ford is traditionally one of the "cheaper" cars in the American car lineup, I don't know why people expect to get caviar when they pay for Mac 'n Cheese.

SVT4ME

Sorry to double post, but just for the fun of it, here's a link to what you can do with a Focus:

http://members.***.net/ksracing/5cars_ctsv_vs_zx351.MPG

That's a ZX3 with a 351 Windsor V8 in it, and it cost a lot less to do that than you might imagine. In the video they are doing "street style" racing at the track, and the Focus is giving a five car head start to the Cadillac (which is a CTS-V) and as you can see, he clearly cleans the Caddy's clock. There's another video where the Cadillac gets a 10 car head start and still loses. The Focus is in the low 11's and they still aren't done with getting it the way they want it.

Also I meant to mention that with regard to the recalls, the bulk of the recalls were for the first two model years, 2000 and 2001. The recent models have few (if any recalls). I don't know off the top of my head because I have an SVT Focus which has never had any recalls, at all.

rockettc

Like I said, my SVT Focus was great. Liked it a lot. Got bored with it after 3 years. Only paid $14.7k for the SVT with a sunroof after rebates and discounts, so I'd challenge the idea that the TC is absolutely a better value- no 6 speed in the TC, no leather trimmed seats, less power.

Never any real mechanical issues with 2 1/2 years of hard driving.

Just wanted something different and the TC seemed nice. And it does seem "nicer" driving around in it. I think it looks better. The interior is nicer- the Focus interior was too funky. But its slower and doesn't handle as well. It'll take a few $k in mods to get the TC to where the stock SVT was performance wise.

I'm happy enough with the TC so far, but each car has pros and cons.

mytcbaby

There is a difference between people not being proud of a car and whether or not they work right. I dont find it shocking to not see an '80s tercel on the road theses days, you dont see a whole lot of '80s cars. I can't remeber EVER seeing any FORD(other than the classics) thats over 20 years old on the road. And if the Taurus has a crappy record, you would think ford would fix it over the years, now that would just be common sense.