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Old 06-18-2005 | 04:49 PM
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I just had my friend install my TRD springs along with new wheels 225/40/18's. I took it to the dealer to get my wheel alignment and they told me I voided my warranty with the install of lowering springs. They said my wheels were too big and they can't get the specs for my car because of my springs, and because my wheels were too big. Is this right???

First off the springs are TRD. Second when you first buy the tC there is an option to upgrade the wheels to 18's with tires at 225/40/18. How could the dealer offer this setup but not take my setup under warranty???
Absoultely not!!!

Who at that dealership told you that? A service tech or the manager?
I would go back to that dealership. and ask to speak with a manager. Tell him that 1) according to the Magnussen/Moss act, for a warranty to be voided, the dealer must prove *in writing*, not simply "saying" or stating, that either the parts themselves, or a faulty install of the parts, is responsible for the voided warranty. As the springs are TRD, there is no way the parts themselves can be held to blame. The tire size is not an issue, as the tc's have an option for 18" tires's on the website.

If the person still inssits that your warranty is voided, tell him you want him to write that in writing, and sign it. Then, when you have that in hand, tell him you are going to call Scion corporate and inform them what is going on.

The dealer is feeding you a load of crap.
Old 06-19-2005 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnyTCblaze
I just had my friend install my TRD springs along with new wheels 225/40/18's. I took it to the dealer to get my wheel alignment and they told me I voided my warranty with the install of lowering springs. They said my wheels were too big and they can't get the specs for my car because of my springs, and because my wheels were too big. Is this right???

First off the springs are TRD. Second when you first buy the tC there is an option to upgrade the wheels to 18's with tires at 225/40/18. How could the dealer offer this setup but not take my setup under warranty???
Absoultely not!!!

Who at that dealership told you that? A service tech or the manager?
I would go back to that dealership. and ask to speak with a manager. Tell him that 1) according to the Magnussen/Moss act, for a warranty to be voided, the dealer must prove *in writing*, not simply "saying" or stating, that either the parts themselves, or a faulty install of the parts, is responsible for the voided warranty. As the springs are TRD, there is no way the parts themselves can be held to blame. The tire size is not an issue, as the tc's have an option for 18" tires's on the website.

If the person still inssits that your warranty is voided, tell him you want him to write that in writing, and sign it. Then, when you have that in hand, tell him you are going to call Scion corporate and inform them what is going on.

The dealer is feeding you a load of crap.
A service tech told me that. I'm gonig to go back whenever I have time and raise hell. Good looking out toast box. Also has this happened to anyone else? Has anyone had problems with their warranty with the installation of TRD springs?? Please speak up.
Old 06-19-2005 | 07:45 PM
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No problem, glad to help

search on this site for Magnusen Moss act...it's in one of the FAQs, under the technical forums. *Regardless* of who makes the springs, be it TRD, Tein, Eibach, whomever, your warranty cannot be voided with the installation of springs unless the dealer can prove the parts themselves are defective, not designed for your car, or were installed improperly.

Do the search, read the article, and you'll see it's pretty clear.

Regarding your comments of
Originally Posted by johnnyTCblaze
Also has this happened to anyone else? Has anyone had problems with their warranty with the installation of TRD springs?? Please speak up.
that really belongs in a seperate/new post. Posting that question here is bringing the original post offtopic
Old 06-20-2005 | 02:20 PM
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Could it be that we are compressing one spring more than the other during install and that spring is not recovering??................and that coincidentally or something we are all doing the drivers side first....therefor compressing that one more.......therefor compressing passenger side less and thus the problem?? Just did mine over the weekend and the front is perfect but there is abount a 1/2 to 3/4 inch difference in the rear (passenger side higher of course)
Old 06-21-2005 | 04:00 AM
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that voiding ur warranty is BS ........my dealer said that I would void my dealer's "life time warranty" if i got service done anywhere outside of their place........but the toyota warranty cant be voided unless they got proof that sometin from the part u installed messed up the car......but still they're TRD made by toyota just get real mad at them and tell them you r going to tell toyota and all that crap maybe u can get some free oil changes and service junk out of them......cuz thats total BS
Old 06-22-2005 | 03:24 AM
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I took my rear suspension apart and everything was together right. So I took the back apart, and with the struts installed, tiightened the top screw on the right strut. VOILA fixed the problem. When I pulled out both struts and put them side by side, the one on the left side was shorter!......and there was nothing I could do except put them back in and overtighten the right strut tower bolt when back in the car (for leverage). It seemed to do the trick though. BTW I took apart and re-assembled both struts, as well as switched the springs, which made NO DIFFERENCE. The position of the left rear strut top seems to make that strut about 1/8-1/4" shorter than the right rear! Hope this helps. One more thing......I did have a mechanic with me, and we were both boggled as to how the stock struts sit evenly given the different positions of the strut tops needed for proper installation. OH WELL. at least we fixed it!
Old 06-22-2005 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by reverendericd
I took my rear suspension apart and everything was together right. So I took the back apart, and with the struts installed, tiightened the top screw on the right strut. VOILA fixed the problem. When I pulled out both struts and put them side by side, the one on the left side was shorter!......and there was nothing I could do except put them back in and overtighten the right strut tower bolt when back in the car (for leverage). It seemed to do the trick though. BTW I took apart and re-assembled both struts, as well as switched the springs, which made NO DIFFERENCE. The position of the left rear strut top seems to make that strut about 1/8-1/4" shorter than the right rear! Hope this helps. One more thing......I did have a mechanic with me, and we were both boggled as to how the stock struts sit evenly given the different positions of the strut tops needed for proper installation. OH WELL. at least we fixed it!
As far as the setting issue, you could always swap the springs from the driver's side to the passenger side. Then those springs will set too shortly, making the car an even ride.
Old 06-23-2005 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tCrewS
i installed my springs about 2 months ago.......the right side is about .5-.75 in higher than the right side I dont understand why......does anyone know anything about his or has anyone experienced the same thing?????? the left side looks perfect but right side is not so great

My drop was even up front but 1/2 inch higher on the passenger rear. I drove around a few months with a 50lb bag of sand above it and now its even.

I have tein s techs and h&r 20mm spacers and its settled to 2.5 inch drop all around. I think the 40mm wider on the rear caused the rear to drop alittle more than usual. No gap all around.
Old 06-28-2005 | 03:52 AM
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the tein Stech drop is real hot........do u have aftermarket struts with them?......if not how is the ride?......the TRD ride is same as the stock springs
Old 07-13-2005 | 01:57 PM
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Default Passenger rear higher

Anyone fix this by tightening the nut at the top of the strut bar while leaving everything else bolted in? Want to try this because passenger rear is still a little higher.
Old 07-13-2005 | 02:15 PM
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I KNOW THE PROBLEM AND I FIGURED IT OUT WHILE I WAS DOING IT. YOUR GROOVES ON THE INSIDE OF THE SPRING CAP IS NOT ALIGNED CORRECTLY. USUALLY ON OTHER CARS THE GROOVES ARE ON THE OUTSIDE AND YOU CAN ALIGN THE GROOVES WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS BUT SINCE THE GROOVES ARE ON THE INSIDE YOU CAN ONLY TRY AND "GUESS". THE BEST THING TO DO IS DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE WITH A MARKER TO TELL YOU WHERE THE CAP AND BOTTOM OF SHOCKS LINE UP. NEXT TIME YOU DO SUSPENSIONS BUY A PERMANENT MARKER (A SILVER ONE) TO HELP DRAW A GUIDE LINE WITH. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I DONE A LOT OF SUSPENSIONS AND TC IS THE FIRST ONE I HAD WITH A PROBLEM. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE WHEN I DID MY PASSENGER ONE I DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE GROOVES SO I MESSED UP THE PASSENGER AND SO WHEN I DID THE DRIVER I USED A MARKER AND DREW A LINE ALL THE WAY DOWN FROM THE CAP TO THE END OF THE SHOCKS AND THAT HELPED ME DO THE SPRINGS IN LIKE 15 MINUTES.


SO CHECK THE GROOVES ON YOUR SPRING CAPS THAT ALIGN THE SPRINGS WITH IT AND MAKE SURE IT IS ALIGNED
Old 07-30-2005 | 10:20 AM
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So whats the bottom line?

Faulty springs?

or

Improper installation?

I am thinking of installing trd springs and do not want this problem.
Old 07-30-2005 | 02:26 PM
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Yeah, and if you measure drop, the proper way is to measure from the center of the wheel to the lip of the fender, not from the ground...I see a lot of people do this and it drives me nuts...air pressure variances in the tire can cause the measurement to be off by 1/8-1/2"...
Old 07-31-2005 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TinmanTC
So whats the bottom line?

Faulty springs?

or

Improper installation?

I am thinking of installing trd springs and do not want this problem.
It ain't the springs.

BTW, kudos to everyone on this forum. We've had some good responses - concise, thoughtful, relevant.
Old 10-06-2005 | 04:30 AM
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OK, i had this problem. As for myself, i can not just "deal" with it. So i took my back passenger strut off @ 3:30 in the morning. If you all will go to your tc, look at the bottom of the struts on both sides, you will notice that the bottom 1/2" dip (where the springs start/lowest point of the strut) on the driver side faces to the OUTSIDE of the car, while the passenger side faces to the INSIDE of the car. Then if u will notice the struts sit at a slight angle. the driver side sits like this / and the passenger sits like this \ . Where the driver side strut starts the spring out on the OUTSIDE of the car, it actually starts at a lower point than the passenger side b/c the passenger side faces in and starts at about 1/4" higher point. I did not notice this (or atleast think it out) until i took the right rear apart 4 times. Finally i decided "Nothing has helped so this is what i'm going to do". I took the right rear side (the side that sits higher) took it apart and put it back together so that the dip in the plate at the bottom of the strut was facing to the OUTSIDE of the car like the driver side was. I also made sure i tightened the strut down AS FAR AS POSSIBLE while compressed. Assemble the side back togeather, drove it for 2 days, and BOOM!!!!! The car sits perfectly level. Its all about geometry =) This worked for me, once u look @ the struts and the way they face, you will notice what i am talking about. I hope this helps most of you guys! =)
Old 10-06-2005 | 01:40 PM
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"HOLY RESSURECTIONS BATMAN"

Just kidding.
So, was this only with the rear, or did you do something to the front as well?
Old 10-06-2005 | 02:18 PM
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This was only on the rear. I had no problems with the front. But i hope it helps you all with the rear problem.
Old 10-11-2005 | 03:26 AM
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Whatever it is, when it gets resolved tell me for future reference
Old 10-11-2005 | 08:40 PM
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That sounds weird. I wonder if those springs are used.... like someone torched' em or something.
Old 10-12-2005 | 07:50 AM
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I just did mine today with a friend of mine. Spent nearly the whole day doing it, but it was more than worth it. My measurements are level on all four corners, no unevenness whatsoever. Handling is rock solid, agressive. Next stop: new tires!


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