Also, no where in my posts do I say if I like or dislike a product.

I'm just asking what tests you conducted to back up your post about the bar not working.

 

Nothing has ever been posted to show that there was testing done. It's just the manufacturer claiming you can "feel the difference." I personally like to see some real-world tests before I spend my hard earned money on something. All they have to do is run it around a track, before and after times should be enough but if they want to go above and beyond they could find out just how much stiffer this makes the car.

 

exactly. no testing was done, so its all he said she said.

 

exactly. no testing was done, so its all he said she said. and why dont i have business stating my opinions on this thread? its an open forum, if you dont want responses, dont post, simple as that.

if a person wants this part, they wont care what i think, they are buying it, not me.

 

i'm gonna have to take Break_Away's side on this one. What is the point of this thing besides the bling factor and just to be able to say you HAVE one?

would you buy a "performance" product if all you had to go on was the fact that you THINK it'll stiffen something up? This bar sits way too close to the chassis as it is! i mean.. if the rear strut bars were higher up like on say Hondas.. then sure i can POSSIBLY see a performance benefit.. but as it is now.. the bar is RIGHT NEXT to the chassis! how much stiffer do you want it?!?!

Creative Compacts.. this post isn't a reflection on your business at all. You have a great business and we all respect it. The issue here is the product. If a product is for sale... then we ALL have the right to question it's effectiveness. It's called being a consumer.

Just because you made a thread about it and promoting it.. doesn't mean we DON'T have the right to question the product itself.

 

ty diesel.

 

Just wondering if you guys have any sense of racing at all.
Why would someone make a strut bar for looks?

We could have painted it but it wouldnt look as good as it would polished.. IMO.

Anyhow I drag race and i Road race, and fabricate for the Asia Supercar Series, and USTCC.

Why would somnoene put a roll cage in the car? To stiffen up the frame. Why would someone Seam Weld all the seams on the car? For all the same reasons.

Not everyone is going to road race or drag race their cars.
But the best way to stiffen up the body without going all out ( ROLL CAGE ) is strutbars..

Alot of companies make strutbars, why? For BLING?

I just dont understand why everyone is doubting a Strutbar.
It's like Known fact that strutbars work.

Whats your experience in REAL RACING? mr BREAK - AWAY?

I doubt any if you dont even understand what a rear sturtbar does. If you like i can make it Black so it's NOT SO BLING.

Why does everyone buy Front strut braces?
The front flexes, so the Rear doesnt?
You have to be kidding me.

I've been racing since 1991 and fabricating for racecars for 10 years.

So i would check all your facts before you open your mouth.

And you cant exactly put a car on the track and say the bar helped to show in time slips.

There are alot of variations that can happen, the driver just made a better run on the second try.
Thats just opening another can of worms.

Face the facts and realize that strutbars work.

 

I find it interesting that you are making these claims with an insulting tone toward potential customers, while not offering any actual proof. This is not to say that the rear strut bar does not greatly enhance the stiffness of the suspension of a tC, but perhaps it would be better to conduct some sort of flex test or other commonly accepted test to show your point, instead of belittling people on forums.

It seems like the point of your thread was to imply you have more experience in racing and fabrication than the average person on a Scion forum. I would have thought this was implied by your position at MMW... but maybe you feel you have something to prove.

Maybe the functionality of a strut bar is common sense, but on the other hand perhaps it is not extremely functional in this instance... some people are asking for proof. They are not insulting you directly; I would hope you would respond in a professional manner but I guess that is too much to ask...

 

um.. HELLO... that's EXACTLY what we're trying to do! we're trying to get as many facts from the actual manufacturer as possible, since SOME of us have doubts as to the effectiveness of this product. Is it REALLY worth it to stick a bar right next to a chassis like that? If you guys did any actual testing, and proved that it actually works, then please pass that info along to the rest of us. My GOD you didn't have to explode like that.

 

how MMW handles them self is a reaon to not buy a prodct form them in the first place

and who woudlnt know what a dtrut bar is for... you can tell just by looking at it.

and why did i get a front strut bar? because it looks good! it matches mt engine bay. yes, your rear strut bar looks good... but one thing... you cant see it.

untill you show me proof that your strut bar improves the stiffness... im calling you out on BS, expierence or not, you dont need 1000 years in expierence to notice / test things like that

and as diesel said, you didnt have to explode like that, it shows what kind of a business person you are. not all scion tc owners will like your products, no matter how hard you work on them learn to know that, and accept it.

 

I realy just dont see why there is a discussion on strut bars..
This is just common sense..

Im sick of people bashing when they seem to not know much about the way a STRUTBAR works.

 

yeah i nkow what you meen MMW... cause it is very hard to tell what a bar does...

 

Did Weapon R change their name to Monster Motoworks? Things that make you go 'hmmmm'...

 

settle down. you seem to be mistaking BASHING with DOUBTING. no one here is Bashing MMW.. or the strut bar itself. We are merely doubting its effectiveness when it's clearly RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHASSIS.

you keep saying "you have no idea how a strut bar works".. well.. we may not have numbers and specs.. but we all have a basic understanding of bracing and stiffening. In all honestly, i even have doubts as to the TC's FRONT strut bar since it's so close to the firewall. I have a DC one, and it felt no different with it installed or not while cornering. but hey it looks good and was cheap.. so i bought it. but it only cost me $99. that i can deal with.

but for $165 for your bar, which no one sees, and we still have NO IDEA if it really works.. then what's the incentive of getting one?

GIVE US SOME NUMBERS. GIVE US SOME SPECS. GIVE US ANYTHING other then just "i've been racing and fabricating for 10 years".

you seem to forget that in the end .. WE ARE THE CONSUMERS. it's YOUR job to SELL us on YOUR product.

 

i have racing school experience.

the unibody design of the tC does experience front and rear flex during aggressive cornering.

it does not help that we are aggressively driving a glass top vehicle.

there is no upper support whatsoever.

i believe that this flex (unibody design) is the main reason for many of the ticks, creaks, rattles that alot of tC owners have noted.

not all flex is bad. . for example, skyscappers have flex.. . if they didn't, they wouldn't be as durable as they are.

strut bars do decrease the amount of flex that a body (especially a unibody) experiences.

this reduction in flex would be beneficial to handling and overall performance of the tC.

i will be purchasing a rear strut bar.

if you are a corner carver, you will too.

if you are not a corner carver, you will not.

a rear strut bar is not for bling, it is for performance.

sorry break away, it sounds like you're stuck in neutral.

 

Wow..that post had no useful information whatsoever.

Anyway, I would love to believe that the strut bar can help, but I have to admit I am also very skeptical of this product. If there was some way to prove that the part improved stiffness (improved Gs ona skid pad maybe) then I would consider it, but at this point it looks like you put a brace there simply because you could. All cars come less stiff from the factory than is preferred by performance enthusiasts, but with the tC's glass roof, Toyota was forced to greatly increase the rigidity of the unibody. That being said, it seems like something like a subframe brace with some triangulation would be way more effective then this part, although cost of development and production would be much higher. I applaud that MMW is producing new parts for the tC, but without some kind of proof of increased performance, it might as well be a turbonator. As stated earlier MMW, prove your product works instead of making generalized claims and Im sure youll be selling out of these parts in no time.

 

Mike,

Weapon*R is the parent company of MMW.

(I got my iSt grille. Hee, hee, hee.)

 

how am i in a neutral? i know my stance on this product. I will not be getting one till i see some specs that it actually works.

i still find it funny how MMW said that i dont know what a strut bar does.... ummm.... not hard to tell what a straight bar does... let me guess.... 500+whp?

i suggest to lock this post... all it is is people complaining back and forth (me being one of them)

 

Weapon R did not change their name. they came up with a company committed to SCIONS...Monster Motor Works.

i have already ordered my Radiator cover from them and will do business with them in the future, maybe even with this product. their customer service was #1 with me and was great to work with. do not bash what you dont know.
THEY fabricated the item, i think they know more about what it does than anyone.

thank you MMW for having the patience to deal with some people. keep up the good work.

also just wondering are you going to put out a Front Strut Bar to go along with the rear?

 

There is a fatal flaw in that statement. Look at all of the product failures that have claimed to be fantastic and end up failing miserably because they didnt do anything. eg: Turbonator, Dura Lube, ETC. You also said "do not bash what you dont know" when in fact we are not bashing but requesting more information so we can make an educated decision on whether or not we will purchase the part . Unfortunately we cant get more than a generalized answer of "you can feel it" and "i make racing parts and know more than you". I know its hard to put "feel" into words and it may be difficult to show actual numbers that prove a products effectiveness, but the answers we have gotten so far are pretty useless.

As I posted previously, I would l love for the part to work, and would defenitely consider buying it, but I wont be a guinea pig for a useless part. Another thing that worries me are the other parts that have been produced so far. The battery cover and cooling plate that effectively do nothing but dress up the engine bay. They are very well done and pretty, but do nothing for performance and I feel at this point the strut bar falls into that category. MMW ended up insulting others on the board about the effectiveness of the cooling plate when it was questioned and insisted the part made a difference when Dr Isotope who has made and tested one on his own was able to concisely state that under his "testing" that it really made no difference whatsoever. We got the same kind of response when this part was introduced and their claims were questioned. This in my opinion shows bad form because instead of bickering and insulting others, theycould have produced some nubers that validated their claims.

Agian, its up to MMW to prove to us that their parts will make a difference and I will be more than happy to consider thier products when they do, however, I am not sold by any means at this point and in many ways am somehwat hesitant to deal with them based on the way they have treated thier potential customers with childish name calling and displayed superiority complex.