that's funny.. i didn't see anyone _____ing about the dc strut bar, the trd sway bar, etc. etc. etc.

people post that it helps and you take it as the truth unless it's a monster motorworks product

 

I think we all agree that the front strut bars are 90% cosmetic and not really for performance. The reason MMW is getting so much attention is that they claim increased performance when the parts really seem to be cosmetic only. What is worse is that when asked about this, they come back with insults and attack our intelligence. I don t think we are picking out MMW but they are drawing the negative attention to themselves.

 

another main differance on the rear strut bar as compaired to the front strut bar. you can see the front strut bar... it makes the engine bay look a little better. the rear strut bar... well... you cant see it.

as me, instigator, and others have said....

WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST MMW!!!

we didnt bash them, we only questioned their products. I didnt know we werent allowed to do that. and one thing that does deter me from MMW NOW, is how MMW handles themself when people question their products. They bashed on people personally, and implying that we didnt know anything. It is very improfessional.

I like the fact that MMW is trying to make quality parts for tC's, I honestly do, just nothing of theirs has impressed me as of yet.

 

When did a front sway bar make the engine bay look nicer? I do remember a front STRUT bar making the engine bay looking nicer. I do know what you mean but in an ealier post against mhalzkit you attacked him for saying rear sway bar when we all knew he meant rear strut bar.

 

DAMN...BrEaK_AwaY=PWN3D

JK

 

this is correct motorsport. my post is now edited.

im still waiting on some test on this rear STRUT bar. since MMW has 1000+ years expierence racing and fab'ing, he they should be able to test their prodcuts as well to ensure they work.

 

I would 100% disagree with that. I put it on my car and felt a huge improvement in rigidity. but it was the DC Sports not MMW.

 

How do you want the measurements of improvement? you want them to run laps?

NOBODY ELSE has done this for ANY suspension part I've ever seen for the tC. Why throw a fit about MMW?

 

i have the dc sports strut bar as well... and felt no change at all.

again... we are all using the term "feel"

once their are test, it wont only be "feel", it will be "fact"

 

Not true... other companies give facts.
Example:
Hotchkis sway bars - Front Bar - 40% / 68% Rear Bar - 273% / 304% / 338%
TRD springs - Spring rate is increased 18% in the front, and 26% in the rear over stock springs.
TRD rear sway bar - 39% stiffer in the “street“ setting (outer hole), and 64% stiffer in the “race“ setting (inner hole).

These are just a few examples of manufacturers supporting their claims that their products are better or stiffer than stock.

 

thats not measured on the car by performance. since there is NOT rear strut bar, it's impossible to give a percentage of being more stiff. basic mathematics.

 

i have a 90 degree turn on my property and i can tell you that i can take it faster with the dc sports.

and you seem to ignore the rest of my posts. why is that?

 

Probably because he's ignorant and close minded.

MMW, the rear strut bar looks great! I had a rear strut bar on my Accord, and damn I could really feel the difference, especially when going over a speed bump sideways.

 

Yes, it does look great, and its hidden once you put all the foam back!

and an accord (honda) could usa a rear strut bar, so i agree with you, i bet you did feel a differance with a rear strut bar on an accord.

but the tC's doesnt need one

 

prove it

 

Prove that it does need one

 

It is not impossible to determine the change in stiffness before and after this bar is installed. These manufacturers gave us cold hard facts as to what their products are capable of and that is all these people are asking for. I personally could care less one way or the other but I see their point and believe they should know the facts before making a decision as to whether or not to buy a product. It doensn't even have to be MMW, someone with this bar could go to a local SCCA autocross and drive a few laps with the bar and a few laps without the bar, simple as that. If you actually are a "corner carver" and are far enough into suspension mods to be purchasing the rear strut bar then autocrossing should be nothing new. Oh, and you can talk to me about basic mathematics after you pass several calc. courses at one of the nations top engineering schools

 

break,

almost everything that a driver does is based on "feel". . .i understand that you want numbers to justify a performance part, but i haven 't seen numbers posted for strut bars. are there any available? i would like to see them. i see numbers for other mods, but not strut bars. lmk when you find some.

also, not that there's anything wrong with it, but it seems like you only want a performance part for the bling factor. .this may or may not be true, but it seems like one of your main points to your side of the debate. you keep say, "but you can't see it" .. . of all performance parts, not many of them can be seen . . you get them so you "feel" comfortable while attacking the road. .. and just because you can't "feel" when a performance part has been added or is doing it's job, doesn't mean that someone else can't "feel" the difference. some of us are a little more in tune with what is going on around us.

inst,

i know you work for toyota, so could you please tell us how much toyota has stiffened the rigidity of tC unibody over a "standard?" unibody.. . . percentage only please. but i know for a fact that the body waxes and wanes under aggressive driving.

i definetly agree that a triangular or multiple point reinforcement would be better.. . .but you can't always get what you want, you get what you need.

 

zilasram, you are kinda right. i got the dc strut bar because it LOOKS good. i couldnt tell any differance with or without it installed. I would love it if it did stiffen the tC up a little, but i didnt notice it.

as for the rear strut bar, i probably would get it if:
1. you could see it, cause its hott looking
2. it actually stiffened the ride.

now if MMW is willing to send me one to try out, to test it, and i DO feel a differance, i will retract all my questionable statements on this product.

and who ever said i work for toyota?

 

lol ok mr. engineer. i already asked them to do laps or whatnot. old news. and since you're a self proclaimed smartypants, what percentage stiffer is a bar that adds 1 unit of stiffness when there was no bar before?