Monster Motorworks Rear Strut Bar - Installed
#41
Originally Posted by The Instigator
Wow..that post had no useful information whatsoever.
Anyway, I would love to believe that the strut bar can help, but I have to admit I am also very skeptical of this product. If there was some way to prove that the part improved stiffness (improved Gs ona skid pad maybe) then I would consider it, but at this point it looks like you put a brace there simply because you could. All cars come less stiff from the factory than is preferred by performance enthusiasts, but with the tC's glass roof, Toyota was forced to greatly increase the rigidity of the unibody. That being said, it seems like something like a subframe brace with some triangulation would be way more effective then this part, although cost of development and production would be much higher. I applaud that MMW is producing new parts for the tC, but without some kind of proof of increased performance, it might as well be a turbonator. As stated earlier MMW, prove your product works instead of making generalized claims and Im sure youll be selling out of these parts in no time.
Anyway, I would love to believe that the strut bar can help, but I have to admit I am also very skeptical of this product. If there was some way to prove that the part improved stiffness (improved Gs ona skid pad maybe) then I would consider it, but at this point it looks like you put a brace there simply because you could. All cars come less stiff from the factory than is preferred by performance enthusiasts, but with the tC's glass roof, Toyota was forced to greatly increase the rigidity of the unibody. That being said, it seems like something like a subframe brace with some triangulation would be way more effective then this part, although cost of development and production would be much higher. I applaud that MMW is producing new parts for the tC, but without some kind of proof of increased performance, it might as well be a turbonator. As stated earlier MMW, prove your product works instead of making generalized claims and Im sure youll be selling out of these parts in no time.
people post that it helps and you take it as the truth unless it's a monster motorworks product
#42
Originally Posted by matty-tC
...that's funny.. i didn't see anyone _____ing about the dc strut bar, the trd sway bar, etc. etc. etc.
people post that it helps and you take it as the truth unless it's a monster motorworks product
people post that it helps and you take it as the truth unless it's a monster motorworks product
#43
another main differance on the rear strut bar as compaired to the front strut bar. you can see the front strut bar... it makes the engine bay look a little better. the rear strut bar... well... you cant see it.
as me, instigator, and others have said....
WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST MMW!!!
we didnt bash them, we only questioned their products. I didnt know we werent allowed to do that. and one thing that does deter me from MMW NOW, is how MMW handles themself when people question their products. They bashed on people personally, and implying that we didnt know anything. It is very improfessional.
I like the fact that MMW is trying to make quality parts for tC's, I honestly do, just nothing of theirs has impressed me as of yet.
as me, instigator, and others have said....
WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST MMW!!!
we didnt bash them, we only questioned their products. I didnt know we werent allowed to do that. and one thing that does deter me from MMW NOW, is how MMW handles themself when people question their products. They bashed on people personally, and implying that we didnt know anything. It is very improfessional.
I like the fact that MMW is trying to make quality parts for tC's, I honestly do, just nothing of theirs has impressed me as of yet.
#44
When did a front sway bar make the engine bay look nicer? I do remember a front STRUT bar making the engine bay looking nicer. I do know what you mean but in an ealier post against mhalzkit you attacked him for saying rear sway bar when we all knew he meant rear strut bar.
#45
Originally Posted by Motorsport TC
When did a front sway bar make the engine bay look nicer? I do remember a front STRUT bar making the engine bay looking nicer. I do know what you mean but in an ealier post against mhalzkit you attacked him for saying rear sway bar when we all knew he meant rear strut bar.
JK
#46
this is correct motorsport. my post is now edited.
im still waiting on some test on this rear STRUT bar. since MMW has 1000+ years expierence racing and fab'ing, he they should be able to test their prodcuts as well to ensure they work.
im still waiting on some test on this rear STRUT bar. since MMW has 1000+ years expierence racing and fab'ing, he they should be able to test their prodcuts as well to ensure they work.
#47
Originally Posted by The Instigator
Originally Posted by matty-tC
...that's funny.. i didn't see anyone _____ing about the dc strut bar, the trd sway bar, etc. etc. etc.
people post that it helps and you take it as the truth unless it's a monster motorworks product
people post that it helps and you take it as the truth unless it's a monster motorworks product
#48
Originally Posted by BrEaK_AwaY
this is correct motorsport. my post is now edited.
im still waiting on some test on this rear STRUT bar. since MMW has 1000+ years expierence racing and fab'ing, he they should be able to test their prodcuts as well to ensure they work.
im still waiting on some test on this rear STRUT bar. since MMW has 1000+ years expierence racing and fab'ing, he they should be able to test their prodcuts as well to ensure they work.
NOBODY ELSE has done this for ANY suspension part I've ever seen for the tC. Why throw a fit about MMW?
#50
Originally Posted by matty-tC
NOBODY ELSE has done this for ANY suspension part I've ever seen for the tC. Why throw a fit about MMW?
Example:
Hotchkis sway bars - Front Bar - 40% / 68% Rear Bar - 273% / 304% / 338%
TRD springs - Spring rate is increased 18% in the front, and 26% in the rear over stock springs.
TRD rear sway bar - 39% stiffer in the “street“ setting (outer hole), and 64% stiffer in the “race“ setting (inner hole).
These are just a few examples of manufacturers supporting their claims that their products are better or stiffer than stock.
#51
Originally Posted by Mica
Originally Posted by matty-tC
NOBODY ELSE has done this for ANY suspension part I've ever seen for the tC. Why throw a fit about MMW?
Example:
Hotchkis sway bars - Front Bar - 40% / 68% Rear Bar - 273% / 304% / 338%
TRD springs - Spring rate is increased 18% in the front, and 26% in the rear over stock springs.
TRD rear sway bar - 39% stiffer in the “street“ setting (outer hole), and 64% stiffer in the “race“ setting (inner hole).
These are just a few examples of manufacturers supporting their claims that their products are better or stiffer than stock.
#52
Originally Posted by BrEaK_AwaY
i have the dc sports strut bar as well... and felt no change at all.
again... we are all using the term "feel"
once their are test, it wont only be "feel", it will be "fact"
again... we are all using the term "feel"
once their are test, it wont only be "feel", it will be "fact"
and you seem to ignore the rest of my posts. why is that?
#53
Probably because he's ignorant and close minded.
MMW, the rear strut bar looks great! I had a rear strut bar on my Accord, and damn I could really feel the difference, especially when going over a speed bump sideways.
MMW, the rear strut bar looks great! I had a rear strut bar on my Accord, and damn I could really feel the difference, especially when going over a speed bump sideways.
#54
Originally Posted by hayalex6
MMW, the rear strut bar looks great! I had a rear strut bar on my Accord, and damn I could really feel the difference, especially when going over a speed bump sideways.
and an accord (honda) could usa a rear strut bar, so i agree with you, i bet you did feel a differance with a rear strut bar on an accord.
but the tC's doesnt need one
#57
Originally Posted by matty-tC
Originally Posted by Mica
Originally Posted by matty-tC
NOBODY ELSE has done this for ANY suspension part I've ever seen for the tC. Why throw a fit about MMW?
Example:
Hotchkis sway bars - Front Bar - 40% / 68% Rear Bar - 273% / 304% / 338%
TRD springs - Spring rate is increased 18% in the front, and 26% in the rear over stock springs.
TRD rear sway bar - 39% stiffer in the “street“ setting (outer hole), and 64% stiffer in the “race“ setting (inner hole).
These are just a few examples of manufacturers supporting their claims that their products are better or stiffer than stock.
#58
break,
almost everything that a driver does is based on "feel". . .i understand that you want numbers to justify a performance part, but i haven 't seen numbers posted for strut bars. are there any available? i would like to see them. i see numbers for other mods, but not strut bars. lmk when you find some.
also, not that there's anything wrong with it, but it seems like you only want a performance part for the bling factor. .this may or may not be true, but it seems like one of your main points to your side of the debate. you keep say, "but you can't see it" .. . of all performance parts, not many of them can be seen . . you get them so you "feel" comfortable while attacking the road. .. and just because you can't "feel" when a performance part has been added or is doing it's job, doesn't mean that someone else can't "feel" the difference. some of us are a little more in tune with what is going on around us.
inst,
i know you work for toyota, so could you please tell us how much toyota has stiffened the rigidity of tC unibody over a "standard?" unibody.. . . percentage only please. but i know for a fact that the body waxes and wanes under aggressive driving.
i definetly agree that a triangular or multiple point reinforcement would be better.. . .but you can't always get what you want, you get what you need.
almost everything that a driver does is based on "feel". . .i understand that you want numbers to justify a performance part, but i haven 't seen numbers posted for strut bars. are there any available? i would like to see them. i see numbers for other mods, but not strut bars. lmk when you find some.
also, not that there's anything wrong with it, but it seems like you only want a performance part for the bling factor. .this may or may not be true, but it seems like one of your main points to your side of the debate. you keep say, "but you can't see it" .. . of all performance parts, not many of them can be seen . . you get them so you "feel" comfortable while attacking the road. .. and just because you can't "feel" when a performance part has been added or is doing it's job, doesn't mean that someone else can't "feel" the difference. some of us are a little more in tune with what is going on around us.
inst,
i know you work for toyota, so could you please tell us how much toyota has stiffened the rigidity of tC unibody over a "standard?" unibody.. . . percentage only please. but i know for a fact that the body waxes and wanes under aggressive driving.
i definetly agree that a triangular or multiple point reinforcement would be better.. . .but you can't always get what you want, you get what you need.
#59
zilasram, you are kinda right. i got the dc strut bar because it LOOKS good. i couldnt tell any differance with or without it installed. I would love it if it did stiffen the tC up a little, but i didnt notice it.
as for the rear strut bar, i probably would get it if:
1. you could see it, cause its hott looking
2. it actually stiffened the ride.
now if MMW is willing to send me one to try out, to test it, and i DO feel a differance, i will retract all my questionable statements on this product.
and who ever said i work for toyota?
as for the rear strut bar, i probably would get it if:
1. you could see it, cause its hott looking
2. it actually stiffened the ride.
now if MMW is willing to send me one to try out, to test it, and i DO feel a differance, i will retract all my questionable statements on this product.
and who ever said i work for toyota?
#60
Originally Posted by Mica
Originally Posted by matty-tC
Originally Posted by Mica
Originally Posted by matty-tC
NOBODY ELSE has done this for ANY suspension part I've ever seen for the tC. Why throw a fit about MMW?
Example:
Hotchkis sway bars - Front Bar - 40% / 68% Rear Bar - 273% / 304% / 338%
TRD springs - Spring rate is increased 18% in the front, and 26% in the rear over stock springs.
TRD rear sway bar - 39% stiffer in the “street“ setting (outer hole), and 64% stiffer in the “race“ setting (inner hole).
These are just a few examples of manufacturers supporting their claims that their products are better or stiffer than stock.