Wow....this thread just got even more intense. MightyMiniz...if raamaudio is ignorant you aren't any better. Why? Because you don't realize that driving mountain passes is PART of our culture (the automotive). Why do you think so many car manufactuers make cars with great handling qualities? There is nothing, NOTHING wrong wtih wanting to "togue". Yes, it's dangerous, but in all actually its not the fact of togue thats dangerous...it's the driver. Unfotunetly there are alot of drivers that are dangerous, but that doesnt mean that safe ones don't exist. Before I mentioned this article in Sport Compact Car titled "The Seven Rules of Mt. Akina". Even before that article was written I lived by those rules. The most important of those seven rules that I swear by is Rule 3: Respect the line. That little yellow line in the middle of the road tells me what my boundries are, that line tells me that to the left of it, at anytime, there could be a car. So I stay out of it. But then again I guess that's a pointless self-justification of my wrongdoings...whatever. I can understand where you are coming from, safety of myself and others is big, but don't be so ignorant yourself, driving the mountain passes hard doesnt make it wrong and unsafe, its how its driven. Again, you can drive a car hard and still be safe, it's all about your skills, technique, and knowing your car's limits...oh wait that's just a justification for my wrong doings too....you know, knowing entry and exit speeds

 

I have had therapy , I was sent by my bosses(two different times, two different bosses) because they thought I was physco. The docs thought I was fine, then called in my bosses and had a time working with them on their issues, not mine

Let's see, secret military clearance for 20+ years, in charge of critical systems that could jepordize the entire crew of up to thousands, buttloads of awards for a job well done, no driving record, meaning no tickets, no accidents, nothing.

The only problems I have ever had with people is in dealing with by the book, no backbone weenies that only got where they were by buttkissing, backstabbing, and other even more unsavory activities.

I was nearly court martialed twice, first time I requested it, the second one I demanded it, both due to going against much higher ranking officials. I won because I put doing what was right over doing what was best for my carrier, endangering my subortinates when better options were available, putting my job and my people first before myself, you know, just the little things that count;)

 

So Raam, you admit... you need help. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.


I am very AWARE of the Touge and visit it often enough... with some who are a bit more technical in the environments.

I agree, the driver is usually at fault 100% of the time for his actions... be it in or out of the car.

You cannot predict when a problem will happen, and animal will jump into the road, a bicyclist will be around a corner, a rock has fallen, or even a tree in the road.

It seems that some feel the NEED to exceed the statutes of the law. The law placed there to protect me from you.

I applaude the PD who yanks a touge driver off the road if that driver has broken the law, he deserves to be punished rightfully.

A cop dealing by the book never hurts anyone but the offender. ;)

Driving you car hard is acceptable in a controlled environment.
When you have ZERO control of the environment is when things get naughty.

Don't twist your panties too much further over this.

I'm voicing my opinion as you are yours.

 

Wow....this thread just got even more intense. MightyMiniz...if raamaudio is ignorant you aren't any better. Why? Because you don't realize that driving mountain passes is PART of our culture (the automotive). Why do you think so many car manufactuers make cars with great handling qualities? There is nothing, NOTHING wrong wtih wanting to "togue". Yes, it's dangerous, but in all actually its not the fact of togue thats dangerous...it's the driver. Unfotunetly there are alot of drivers that are dangerous, but that doesnt mean that safe ones don't exist. Before I mentioned this article in Sport Compact Car titled "The Seven Rules of Mt. Akina". Even before that article was written I lived by those rules. The most important of those seven rules that I swear by is Rule 3: Respect the line. That little yellow line in the middle of the road tells me what my boundries are, that line tells me that to the left of it, at anytime, there could be a car. So I stay out of it. But then again I guess that's a pointless self-justification of my wrongdoings...whatever. I can understand where you are coming from, safety of myself and others is big, but don't be so ignorant , driving the mountain passes hard doesnt make it wrong and unsafe, its how its driven. Again, you can drive a car hard and still be safe, it's all about your skills, technique, and knowing your car's limits...oh wait that's just a justification for my "wrong doings" too....you know, knowing entry and exit speeds, my limits of grip, etc. etc. Funny thing is you swear that going the speed limit makes things accident free, going the speed limit doesnt eliminate your chances of an accident, it only makes it slimmer. Yes, that sounds stupid I know, but come on, don't be so ignorant...accidents happen at speed limits too. Oh, I guess being respectful and slowing down for slow cars and what not is another justification of my "wrong doings"...hell I'm only being polite and respecting the fact that others are on the road too...so sorry. I will have to agree though that mountain racing IS stupid, but driving through them for sheer enjoyment and fun and because you have the ability to (oh wait...sorry!!! another shamless self-justification of my "wrong doings") isn't. That's all I ahve to say regarding you;re responses.

Back to togue though, I will admit though I have done a few races in the mountains myself, but even if, I still followed the seven rules, and I have always done them by what I call "Gap Rules" (apparently according to one of my friends it's Inital D rules...whatever). Basically the lead car has to put a good sized gap from the chase car in turn winning that run, if the chase car closes the gap by a good margin then the chase car wins. This is THE safest way to race through passes and if done respecting the seven rules saves lives of yours and others. It teaches you how to take your turns at the proper speeds, builds driving skills, and teaches you your cars limits, instead of meatheading it with power through the entire course, cutting into the other lane and what not.

Ok, I'm done...and Im ready for some ****

 

Didn't you post this already?

 

Not a problem buddy, just having some fun aren't we

I know I am not a totally balanced and 100% mentally fit individual, never met anybody that was either, I sure have no intention of becoming one that is for certain!!!

In all honesty I used to be way to aggressive on the road, took far to many chances, got very lucky sometimes. Todays cars are light years ahead of what I learned to drive fast in, the tires are by far the biggest improvement.

It used to be you could have all kinds of fun at modest speeds due to lack of grip, could only go so fast and then were at risk of serious incedents. I became quite good at near misses, could of died many times, some of my buddies did, none of us hurt anybody else though at least.

Now it is so easy to build up a car to be so fast that the speeds are just totally crazy so when you really screw up, you can be or cause somebody else to be dead meat.

That is why I only go all out in a safe place, not on public roads. The levels I go to on public roads are far below my capabilities but within the realm of having a cushion just incase the unexpected happens.

If I cannot tell what is coming up with confidence I have enough room to correct for, I slow down, period. I do not take the inside lane if it is not mine except on vary rare occasions when I can see completely well enough to know it is totally safe and even then I do not do so.

I have seen plenty, almost always young and way overconfident drivers, doing absolutely stupid things on the road, at speeds they cannot deal with if the slightest situation occurs, etc, etc, etc..... That is just plain reckless and uncalled for and I have no problem seeing it result in some sort of punishment.

Three fourths of the laws we have to live with are unconstitutional at best, I chose to obey the ones I have to that are appropriate and I push the boundaries on ones I can get away with, as much as I wish to do. Sometimes the activity may be constitutionally legal and I am breaking a legitimate law, maybe that is my little way of satisfying my disatisfaction with the way our country is going down the toilet with all this politically correct BS we are seeing, insane levels of corruption of our rights, back door deals that we are all paying for right now in fuel costs, higher and higher taxes, less rights, etc, etc....

Now tell me, do you ever break any law, even just a little bit??? Seriously, everybody does, some more than others, not all are the laws of government, many are the laws of nature and laws of common decency, ethics, morals, things that may or may not be written. I follow those laws far more closely than most anybody I have ever met but still I could do better, we all could.

Here is one thing I would love to see happen, no young person could get a drivers lisense without taking a very serious high performance driving school. That is not meant to teach them to drive fast and be a menace on the roads, they are already going to do that. It is meant so they can at least have the training and practice to know instinctually what to do when they get into an adverse situation, we already know they are going to get into

I bet we would have alot fewer incidents of over exuberant wanna be race car drivers causing needless loss of life and limb.

By the way, I have organized alot of car meets at autocrosses, etc and alway try to get members to take up this activity so they can actually learn to better pilot the missles they want to build.

And, I never street race except on the rare occasion of a short burst of speed, then back down to the limit immediately and only in a wide open and safe place, maybe 3 times in the last 20 years. When young I had three cars crash trying to keep up with me, nobody hurt luckily, then I voud to not let that happen again, this was over 30 years ago;)

I wish I could get a law passed where you take a performance driving test yearly, you get to drive according to your skill level or not drive at all. This would bring about a major disruption in our economy if at least half the drivers lost the privilage, lol!!!!!! But it would happen!

Here is how it works for me, I am best on the freeway when running around 100 to 120 MPH, I am the most focused and attentive to what I am doing.

Of course I do not drive that fast, anymore that is. So, I drive 5-10 over, just enough to keep me looking out for the police to avoid getting a ticket yet not in danger of getting into trouble for going really fast.

When I try to drive the limit my mind wanders, I get bored, I pay less attention, I am no where near as safe as I should be.

So, I chose to break the law a little and be a safer driver, which would you rather see me as on the road?

Rick

 

Rick, That was a well stated post.

Puts you in a differant light.

I am no angel by any means.

I've done my time here and there on the roads of pancake-ville and in the hills of the wooded glen.

There are a lot of little minds here who read what is placed and think they are as good if not better.. so these little pill heads jump into their hoopties and push them beyond their own limits.

100-120 on the fwy can be a massive tragedy if one minor thing goes wrong, happens or a tire blows out.

So far as your mind wandering... maybe you have ADD ?

 

im gettin fed up with how this thread is going! it frustrates me!... so anyways... im drivin' home from work today and i was doin' like 55-60MPH( on the freeway).. then a yellow integ type-R pulls up next to me and tries to mess with me( ya know.. takin off and slowin' down .. staying in one gear to show that im driving too slow)! well anyways... im in like 5th gear@like 2000RPMs so i drop it into 3rd and take off! i heard his car try to catch up but he jus' couldn't do it! @5000RPMs in 5th he was gone ... he jus' dissapeared from my mirror! that's like the 4th time i beat a ITR! wooooo hooooo!

 

SCIONS ROCK!! honda aint no thing, and wont ever be!... now that the SCIONs are here!

 

i enjoy canyon carving as well...

The box is pretty fun times and VSC helps a lot if something happens





i like my miata though that's my black one which i sold...






I also messed up pretty bad in my red miata, we flew off a 50 foot cliff.



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