Twitchy rear end on lift throttle turn exit
#61
YES - THAT was the term that was used to describe my cars problem!
I put my TRD swaybar to street and it fixed it. If your swaybar is set stiff it can cause the shock to to compress enough and cause a high springrate and make it tail happy! I kept spinning my car high speed in slalom. Unstiffening the swaybar fixed it.
I dont' have adjustable shocks so that was my fix.
I put my TRD swaybar to street and it fixed it. If your swaybar is set stiff it can cause the shock to to compress enough and cause a high springrate and make it tail happy! I kept spinning my car high speed in slalom. Unstiffening the swaybar fixed it.
I dont' have adjustable shocks so that was my fix.
#62
Its the Nature of FWD cars. During aggressive turns. Just letting off of the accelerator is the worst thing that you can do.
It is caused by engine braking in FWD vehicles.
When you let off the gas, because of engine braking, the front end slows down, but the rear end is still travelling at the same speed.. and sense you are turning it starts to slide out.
It is a FWD thing. Not so much rear wheel drive. It happens on rear wheel drives.. but for totally different reasons.
When you let off the accelerator in a rwd car. The rear wheels slow down and not the front wheels
It is caused by engine braking in FWD vehicles.
When you let off the gas, because of engine braking, the front end slows down, but the rear end is still travelling at the same speed.. and sense you are turning it starts to slide out.
It is a FWD thing. Not so much rear wheel drive. It happens on rear wheel drives.. but for totally different reasons.
When you let off the accelerator in a rwd car. The rear wheels slow down and not the front wheels
#63
If you really want to feel it just go around a corner at some high rpm levels until you feel slight understeer then let off of the throttle and no bueno after that its happend to me twice just make sure you got those jackie chan hands when u counter steer!
#65
my only over-steer incident resulted from too much armor-all on the sidewalls....the rear end came, went, and continued going out till i had to turn back sharply, where it finally planted(this was at like 40 MPH)....
need less to say, armor-all goes on light now....
otherwise, i only notice understeer, unless u hit the e-brake(not a suggestion)
need less to say, armor-all goes on light now....
otherwise, i only notice understeer, unless u hit the e-brake(not a suggestion)
#67
ok, tried it again today, without any armor-all...
i have an auto, so engine braking is less, but i did notice when i was taking a turn that was about 270degrees(turns around, plus 90deg) if i let off the gas whenit was in a lower gear, the rear end would want to go out...nothing i couldn't control, i am used to slippery RWD, so oversteer is no prob for me..sometimes...
but yeah, i have a bone bone stock car susp wise, aside from a spoiler, which doesnt do much at 30 mph
i have an auto, so engine braking is less, but i did notice when i was taking a turn that was about 270degrees(turns around, plus 90deg) if i let off the gas whenit was in a lower gear, the rear end would want to go out...nothing i couldn't control, i am used to slippery RWD, so oversteer is no prob for me..sometimes...
but yeah, i have a bone bone stock car susp wise, aside from a spoiler, which doesnt do much at 30 mph
#68
Originally Posted by RollTide
Are you guys actually concerned that you'll lose control of your car on an offramp due to oversteer?
I experienced oversteer recently, nothing that caused me to spin out or slam into the wall, but there is no warning when it will happen - it just snaps out.
05 auto, trd rear sway bar on 'street', RE92s
#69
my vehicle before last(first one) was a 92 s-10, that i dropped 4 inches. it only had a 2.8l v6, but it would go pretty quick, b/c it had no rev or speed limiter
it rode rough, but thats because the back end had 1 inch of susspension travel, unloaded(non with a small bicycle in the back), but it handled like a dream.......only thing stopping it were the all-terrain tires(i was dating girls in rural areas then...the tC barely sees gravel now that i'm single)
sorry, was remeniscing
it rode rough, but thats because the back end had 1 inch of susspension travel, unloaded(non with a small bicycle in the back), but it handled like a dream.......only thing stopping it were the all-terrain tires(i was dating girls in rural areas then...the tC barely sees gravel now that i'm single)
sorry, was remeniscing
#70
Are you guys actually concerned that you'll lose control of your car on an offramp due to oversteer?
First time your car gets going sideways, with no warning, and at a high yaw rate, you'll be "concerned" too.
If the tC transmitted plenty of warning that it was near traction limits, that would be one thing, but the fact that it oversteers (and understeers) with almost no warning comes as a surprise to those whose previous driving experience was in more forgiving vehicles.
#71
The best 'cure' that people seem to have come up with is to get stickier tires and/or change springs and shocks/struts. Leave the sway bar modifications for later once you have a feel for the limits by doing either or both of those.
The design 'flaw' seems to be more so of a design 'side effect', and the fact that the initial reviewers of the car point it out shows that it is not a subtle one.
The design 'flaw' seems to be more so of a design 'side effect', and the fact that the initial reviewers of the car point it out shows that it is not a subtle one.
#73
personally i still dont see a problem..i just tried on an old country road(its like 12 midnight here, so no traffic) and i didnt notice it, but as mentioned before, it only seems to be a manual problem....i notice the rear end seems to go out if i hit the brakes, but thats the only time...nothing severe enough to cause a wreck(even at 50 MPH)
#74
Originally Posted by 3min3m2
personally i still dont see a problem..i just tried on an old country road(its like 12 midnight here, so no traffic) and i didnt notice it, but as mentioned before, it only seems to be a manual problem....i notice the rear end seems to go out if i hit the brakes, but thats the only time...nothing severe enough to cause a wreck(even at 50 MPH)
if you are going in a straight line and brake hard the rear becomes very unloaded. people (even with trd shocks/spring) have noticed this behavior at the track. the slightest twitch of the steering wheel in that situation could be quite a handful.
if you are entering a turn at 50mph, or any speed fast enough to induce understeer, then let off the throttle while still in the turn, that may also be quite a handful. people have lost control/wrecked their cars going 30-40 mph.
bottom line is that people have to know that the oversteer possibility is there (and that there is no warning) and how to handle it if it happens (wide shoulder and 4-wheel slide), or try not to make it happen in the first place (slow in, fast out). bigred pointed out that with the rs1 package she has yet to get the car to behave badly. she has the strut bar and the yokohama tires so either or both has greatly increased the stability of the car (i'm gonna put my money on the tires, although the strut bar could stiffen the front a smidge promoting the tiniest bit more understeer).
this topic isn't meant to say that our cars are unsafe, or flawed, or have a problem, just different from 'conventional' thinking about $16k 4-cyl FWD econocars.
#75
i agree, the tires for stock are good, but pulling that move and expecting STOCK tires to help? that's laughable! Want to drive like that, you better put your faith in much better tires. (aka STICKIER tires).. and the move about the rear sway bar? too stiff, that back end will come around and say HELLO.. and not be nice about it.. lol
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