I Need Some Tire Advice From the Track-Day People
#1
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From: Arlington, VA
I Need Some Tire Advice From the Track-Day People
I just got some Azenis fot my Summer/Track Weekend setup. However, the 225/45 Falken Azenis 615's are rubbing on my new wheels (17x8 +35mm, Hotchkis Spring, TRD Struts) during hard cornering comebined with slight bumps. They are great tires, but I don't want to deal with this on the track. The way the Azenis is built (large shoulders) they act larger than the 225's they are.
First question, does anyone have my wheel/suspension setup with a 235/40/17 tire?
Second, I'm looking at replacement tires (with 225/45), mainly the Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec, Hankook Ventus R-S2, and maybe the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3. Dunlops sound like they might be the winner, I read that the Hankooks have a soft shoulder and get greasy turing track sessions (6 laps or so.)
So, does anyone have any road course/daily driving experience with these tires? Better options? I'm not getting the Bridgestone RE-01R's, just too much $$.
Thanks for the help :D
First question, does anyone have my wheel/suspension setup with a 235/40/17 tire?
Second, I'm looking at replacement tires (with 225/45), mainly the Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Spec, Hankook Ventus R-S2, and maybe the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3. Dunlops sound like they might be the winner, I read that the Hankooks have a soft shoulder and get greasy turing track sessions (6 laps or so.)
So, does anyone have any road course/daily driving experience with these tires? Better options? I'm not getting the Bridgestone RE-01R's, just too much $$.
Thanks for the help :D
#8
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Yea, it's looking that way. Reading the reviews, it seems like they are pretty loud tires. True or false?
Now I just need to decide what size to get.... 225/45...235/40
Now I just need to decide what size to get.... 225/45...235/40
#9
false!!! they make the least amount of noise out of all the tires i have had on the tC (stock, neogens, toyo fz4, bfg kdw, and winter tires) very quiet and comfortable, with fantastic traction, they are awesom!
#12
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Originally Posted by WendysOrBust
Do you have any pictures of your car on the new wheels? I want to see how the stance is with the 17x8's withe a 35 offset.
#15
Here is my take on the Goodyear and the Dunlop.
Goodyear: I've run on this tire during a three day drivers school at Mid-Ohio and it was great. The first day it rained constantly and the Goodyears loved it. They were predictable and recovered nicely in the wet. Dry was about the same. My choice for a true 3 season tire.
Dunlop: Haven't driven on them yet, but based on all the feedback so far it is probably the top dry tire to have. Sounds like it is still good in the wet but probably not as good as the Goodyear.
Dry = Dunlop
Wet = Goodyear
Couple of questions for you.
What swaybars are you running?
Where is the tire rubbing on the car?
Goodyear: I've run on this tire during a three day drivers school at Mid-Ohio and it was great. The first day it rained constantly and the Goodyears loved it. They were predictable and recovered nicely in the wet. Dry was about the same. My choice for a true 3 season tire.
Dunlop: Haven't driven on them yet, but based on all the feedback so far it is probably the top dry tire to have. Sounds like it is still good in the wet but probably not as good as the Goodyear.
Dry = Dunlop
Wet = Goodyear
Couple of questions for you.
What swaybars are you running?
Where is the tire rubbing on the car?
#16
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Originally Posted by Scion_South
Couple of questions for you.
What swaybars are you running?
Where is the tire rubbing on the car?
What swaybars are you running?
Where is the tire rubbing on the car?
Looks to be the black clips on the edge of the fender.
#17
There are probably a couple of ways you can run bigger tires and not rub.
Add a front sway bar. It will reduce the body roll up front and do a better job keeping the camber in check. I've tried running multiple setups and the bigger front bar helps more than it hurts.
And depending on the the amount of neg. camber you are running right now you might be able to add enough to allow the tire to stay clear of the spot you are rubbing. Plus the neg. camber is going to improve general handling characteristics.
If you can do both you should clear 225 and maybe even 235 if you wanted.
Add a front sway bar. It will reduce the body roll up front and do a better job keeping the camber in check. I've tried running multiple setups and the bigger front bar helps more than it hurts.
And depending on the the amount of neg. camber you are running right now you might be able to add enough to allow the tire to stay clear of the spot you are rubbing. Plus the neg. camber is going to improve general handling characteristics.
If you can do both you should clear 225 and maybe even 235 if you wanted.
#18
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
This calculator will likely be of help. Going from 215 - 225 did make your tire taller.
If you get a 235 / 40 -17 ... your tire height will actually be very close to stock dimensions.
This calculator will likely be of help. Going from 215 - 225 did make your tire taller.
If you get a 235 / 40 -17 ... your tire height will actually be very close to stock dimensions.
#19
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Originally Posted by Scion_South
Add a front sway bar. It will reduce the body roll up front and do a better job keeping the camber in check. I've tried running multiple setups and the bigger front bar helps more than it hurts.
And depending on the the amount of neg. camber you are running right now you might be able to add enough to allow the tire to stay clear of the spot you are rubbing. Plus the neg. camber is going to improve general handling characteristics.
And depending on the the amount of neg. camber you are running right now you might be able to add enough to allow the tire to stay clear of the spot you are rubbing. Plus the neg. camber is going to improve general handling characteristics.
Originally Posted by senseiturtle
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
This calculator will likely be of help. Going from 215 - 225 did make your tire taller.
If you get a 235 / 40 -17 ... your tire height will actually be very close to stock dimensions.
This calculator will likely be of help. Going from 215 - 225 did make your tire taller.
If you get a 235 / 40 -17 ... your tire height will actually be very close to stock dimensions.
#20
I currently have the Hankook RS2's on my enkei rpf1 +35. They have awesome grip wet or dry, however i only get moderate rubbing when encountering large dips. I also run hotchkis springs. I would recommend them.