WOW, pretty lame. they didn't do ANYTHING that you can't get as an option on a stock xA exept the paint and number plaqu. I acually like the stock blue (indigo ink pearl) better than this. Maybe its just this cartoony picture but this paint has like no depth or shinyness to it...probably just the site though. Still, even if the paint was shinyer I like the darker blue better but that's just me cuz I don't like lighter shades of blue on cars.

 

I do like the RS 1 tC though. Red looks good on most sports cars. Stil, like I said, I like darker colors on cars so black or dark blue are still my favorite.

 

Very disappointing! Is this Scion's new "less is more" philosophy? Seems like a step backward to me.

 

i think the philosophy is "less FOR more"

 

Yeah, I am disappointed with this car. I was looking forward to it cuz of the color and I was assuming it at least a sunroof. I was thinking of trading mine it for it, but not anymore.
I wonder what genius came up with the idea behind making this crap version "limited".

 

You think that's how he marketed it to the management team? "this is what we need to do, ready? lets do a crap version limited" Bosses reply, "Brilliant!"

 

RS2.0 $14,745 (including delivery fees).

Regular xA:
$13,045 (including delivery fees)
Blue interior lighting kit (+$280)
Cup holder illumination (+$299)
Badged floor mats w/ cargo mat (+$120)
Rear spoiler (+$385)
Fog lights (+$350)
EP-10 Spoke Alloys (+$665, remember the RS website prices it "as shown," and it's clearly shown with these wheels.)

Regular xA with options similar to the RS: $15,144
RS package savings: $399. This is getting more for less, not the other way around. Additionally, you get a different grille to set you apart from the rest, a color scheme that is carried to the interior of the car (color-tuned fabric) and maybe a higher resale value for owning a limited production car.

This seems to be on par with the tC RS1.0; I calculated $395 savings for that.

It looks like everyone else failed to realize that the wheels were included with the price specified. Without the $665 wheels, the RS stock xA should start at $14,080. I think it's sleazy that Scion didn't point out that those wheels are not standard equipment; at least they did include them in the car's price. For the $14,745 that is specified, you can indeed get what the pictures show.

Why can't Scion just tell us how much these option packages cost... it's retarded I have to add up all of these numbers.

Although this RS isn't nearly as impressive as the RS1.0, keep in mind that it's less than half as much ($1,035 compared to $2,200). Just consider it a cosmetic upgrade package, with the option of getting a color-matched CAI if you'd like a performance boost too. For the cosmetic package that it is, I think it does an okay job of carrying the spectra blue theme inside and out, with significant savings to the customer if they were already had some of the accessories in mind (fog lights, spoiler, etc.) for a stock RS. I think that the RS1.0 was an awesome package, but if you look at the numbers it's a bit irrational to have the most expensive RS edition that's ever been made (I think?) on Scion's entry level car. A $2.2k package on a $13k car?

Perhaps this isn't the most thrilling RS edition, but if I was in the market for a new xA I'd be tempted to get it.

Sorry for playing the Devil's Advocate

A sunroof would have been nice...

 

[quote="Regular xA:
$13,045 (including delivery fees)
Blue interior lighting kit (+$280)
Cup holder illumination (+$299)
Badged floor mats w/ cargo mat (+$120)
Rear spoiler (+$385)
Fog lights (+$350)
EP-10 Spoke Alloys (+$665, remember the RS website prices it "as shown," and it's clearly shown with these wheels.)

Regular xA with options similar to the RS: $15,144

A $2.2k package on a $13k car?

Perhaps this isn't the most thrilling RS edition, but if I was in the market for a new xA I'd be tempted to get it.

Sorry for playing the Devil's Advocate

A sunroof would have been nice...[/quote]



THe RS1.0 was $15,200. The $2200 included wheels, GOOD tires, TSC, Sunroof, grill, spoiler and special seats. That's a damn bargin in my book!

 

well the problem is you are using the jacked up dealer prices for comparison...
so the actual package is $1035... if your estimate of the wheels is correct...

so in street pricing we have:

fog lights: $218
floor mats: $48
trunk mat: $39
Led kit: $129
Cup holder kit: $87
Spoiler: $240
sports grill: $250?
badge: n/a

if you shop around you can probably save on batch ordering & shipping...
if you just shop around.. especially for the lights or diy.. you easily save more:
total: $1011

now with shipping it'll probably go over, but then you might save by shopping around or asking for a bulk discount.
my point is this "package" is easily put together for a comparable sum. Theres nothing "special" about it, except the badging and the color. Note that all those accessories are easily self-installed (with the exception of perhaps the spoiler...).

Sure the RS 1.0 was a lot more...
but let's see for $2200:
Sport Grill: $250?
Spoiler: $240
17" Enkei Alloy Wheels: $900?
Yokohama Avid H4S Tires: ??
*Moonroof+Installation: ??
*Center Compartment Leds: ??
Limited Edition Badge

That leaves about $810 for the moonroof (I would included installation fees for the moonroof b/c I consider that something where self-installation is not recommended) and the tires (and I'm pretty sure I was being generous on the wheels, finding them is hard). Not to mention the oven leds (though honestly that's a super simple DIY).

the factory installed moonroof alone makes this appealing (if you wanted a moonroof), since you don't get warrenty hassles quite as much, and you don't have to worry bad installation. if it wasn't for that it was red, I might've picked it over my box.

the RS2 xA is a definate disappointment, even though the rs2 xb wasn't a good value compared to the RS1 xb, at least it brought new things to the table (blinking side mirrors and a previously unavailable color, mesh grill).

 

The xA comes in a previously unavailable color. Assuming that one can differentiate between two different shades of blue, the RS has a lighter, cerulean blue, compared to the regular xA's navy blue Indigo Ink Pearl:




I couldn't find many of the prices for some of the xA's accessories online (I Googled some, but it's a bit of a pain to hunt through lots of different sites).

You can certainly save more money if you're willing/able to

Additionally, you must be able to install everything yourself. I know that for some people, that's easy as pie. If you know how to put on a spoiler, install the fog lights, hook up your interior lighting, and take out your grille and slap a new one on (assuming you're able to find the RS grille online), more power to you. But not everyone is willing to risk damage to the car or its warranty.

The colored fabric is also a nice touch and not exactly something that I think could be easily installed aftermarket.

Again, I think the RS package is being misinterpreted. It's become clear that Scion is not trying to create a package that's slated towards heavy modders/DIYers.

Assuming that there are 1,700 such DIYphobes in the market for the xA (which I think is perfectly reasonable), they will be getting a good deal. The RS package is delivered with everything already installed and warranted and $400 savings over what it'd normally cost. No weekend projects required. But hey, if you love working with your car, that's great. But Scion doesn't seem to be marketing towards that demographic with its RS packages.

 

You left out the seats and VSC.

 

The 17" Enkei Alloy Wheels are between $350 ~ $400 each thru the Toyota/Scion parts dept. and as of a few weeks ago there were none readily available...

The Yokohama Avid H4S tires are just under $100.00 ($85.00? + Fed Ex Ground) each shipped to Boston from Tire Rack. (I know because I have had to buy two so far... )

The moon roof, who know$ but I'd rather have a seamless factory installed unit than an aftermarket. In my opinion you can always tell when a sunroof is an aftermaket piece. I saw one on a polar whit xA on the highway some time ago and the fit and finnish just wasn't as crisp as the OE unit...

I may be partial due to my xA RS1 ownership but I'm sure others will agree with me.



P. S.
Here's the Math for those who don't want to bust out the calculator (I lowballed it too):

Wheels - $1,400.00
Tires - $ 340.00
Total - $1,740.00
Moonroof - Pricele$$

 

My turn to be the Advocate...

http://www.scion.com/release_series/xa/index.html

The last sentence in the firstline right under the picture states;
"Model shown with optional equipment."

This says to me that the wheels are not part of the package...



I myself am still trying to find the definition of the double asteresik (**) that is next to the "$14,745 as shown" blurb...

Also, if you click the "Learn" button, there is no little plus sign (+) tab describing the wheels...

 

How much do you think the VSC is worth? Add that in too.

 

Yeah, it's pretty disappointing. When I was at the dealership waiting 2 and a half hours for an oil change and tire rotation, I was talking with the salesman who sold me the RS 1. He told me about the RS 2 coming out before it hit the web site and asked if I wanted one. I talked it over with the wife, but she doesn't want her own xA. Now that I see what it comes with, I'm glad I passed.

The RS 2 doesn't have anything you can't have added to a regular xA, except the color, matching interior, and grill. At least my RS 1 has the moonroof, traction control, and VSC, which you can't even get as an option, plus the 17" wheels and 40 series tires.

Maybe the price of the RS 1 put a lot of people off, but I still paid about $10,000 less than the average new car price. Maybe they didn't put 17" rims on the RS2, because they make the ride stiff, but the improved handling makes the stiff ride worth it.

Still, if you really like the color and the grill and were going to add the other stuff anyway, go for it.

 

i didn't know vsc and trac isn't standard on the xA...

that makes the rs1 much much better..

oh and as for the list.. and the color ...

what i meant was... its not that special... like sure its a different color... but its a lighter shade of a preexisting color unlike the other RS series.

I never said anything about putting together an xA package..

what I mean is that all those parts are acquirable with the exception of the fabric and badges... AND the price is not even that great for what you get compared to earlier RS series...

IMO this RS is a dud... even more so than the RS2 xB (at which at least we could say was yellow plus blinker mirror)

 

they are using a lower grade RS model to boost the sales of the xa. i guess the price of the RS1 didn't help the sale that much.

 

Good point.

They updated their RS 2.0 XA web page since this was first posted. Now there is mention of the wheels, etc. Still not quite understandable, but better.

 

Ha Ha. They jacked the stock height back up to it's SUV like proportions. Atleast it's truth in advertising, but man, this release is a dog. They basically sold you their most profitable accessories (LED Lights, Spoiler), without bundling anything of any real performance value (except maybe the Fog Lights)

 

I will say the foglights are a nice touch. That is probably the only thing i would have liked to have had on the RS1. But I can just add those to mine at anytime...