1ZZ-FE swap
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11-23-2006, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scorpius01
Originally Posted by bfurches
heres the thing,
the 1zz and 2zz are the SAME motor, its simply a different head assembly. Personally i prefer the 1zz any day of the weak due to less of a chance of valve float
..as far as would it fit, yes if the 1zz fit (you may have hood clearance issues though as i believe the 2zz may be an inch or so taller due to different head/ valve cover design.
Thanks for the intrest im on my way out the door right now to go look at a corolla
the 1zz and 2zz are the SAME motor, its simply a different head assembly. Personally i prefer the 1zz any day of the weak due to less of a chance of valve float
..as far as would it fit, yes if the 1zz fit (you may have hood clearance issues though as i believe the 2zz may be an inch or so taller due to different head/ valve cover design.
Thanks for the intrest im on my way out the door right now to go look at a corolla
While I am interested to see your results, I just wanted to inform you of something. The 2ZZ has a shorter stroke than the 1zz to accomodate the peaky nature of this motor. The block is different, the pistons are different, the crancks are different, the heads, cam, valvetrain, etc....... you get the piont.
With the exceptions of modifying the mounts and wire harness, it fits under the hood quite nicely.
11-23-2006, 10:11 PM
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2zz swap
my trans. is goin on my xb, and im days away from purchasing a motor and tranny to swap in. I used to have a Matrix XR with the TRD supercharger, and it was definitely fast, but the GTS motor would definitely be a better choice in my opinion. I know the legality issues involved, but swapping a motor and legal issues really should be expected... you just have to know how to get around them 
. My main concern is makin new motor mounts and shift linkages. Besides that, there are some local wiring gurus I know that could help me out in that area. I'll post up when I start the process.
-Jeremy
. My main concern is makin new motor mounts and shift linkages. Besides that, there are some local wiring gurus I know that could help me out in that area. I'll post up when I start the process.-Jeremy
11-24-2006, 04:30 AM
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Swapping a motor is one of the most legal ways to build power, if done right. Yup, even here in the strictest state in the union. All you have to do is pick the right motor, do the work right, and pass smog and inspections. Once you are approved by the Bureau of Automotive Repair and have a sticker that says so, you are golden. Just undertsand that modifications to that motor are going to be tough to get passed. You need to get all CARB approved parts for that motor as well.
Honda guys are doing this here in CA on a daily basis.
Honda guys are doing this here in CA on a daily basis.
11-24-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankenScion
Originally Posted by Scorpius01
While I am interested to see your results, I just wanted to inform you of something. The 2ZZ has a shorter stroke than the 1zz to accomodate the peaky nature of this motor. The block is different, the pistons are different, the crancks are different, the heads, cam, valvetrain, etc....... you get the piont.
With the exceptions of modifying the mounts and wire harness, it fits under the hood quite nicely.
With the exceptions of modifying the mounts and wire harness, it fits under the hood quite nicely.
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11-27-2006, 12:28 AM
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well evryone, i am going to be quite honest with you all. I am getting very close to parting ways with the all so talked about swap. Some companies on the bigger side which will remain unnamed have yet to come through with the support i was assured i would recieve. After reviewing and planning and re-reviewing i have come to the conclusion that the 1nz may not necisarily be a bad power plant to build off either. Before evryone jumps, hear me out.
...After reading this: https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67782
I have decided that with a stand alone management system for our motors there is great potential. Im not saying that there is ever going to be as much room in the economical 1nz, but at the same time its a much more "friendly" choice.
My big issues with performing this swap would be
1. motor mounts (not something you can exactly throw together)
2. unpredictable suspension (caused by the offset weight of the engine and the transmission (which i neglected to factor in transmission weight in my previous post)
3. Firewall modifications
4.axles "w/ 4 lug hubs" ($$$)
5.and finally hood clearance where there is nothing even close on the markey that would work (i.e. c-one) and i feel it would look stupid with some sort of raised hood.
...sorry to let you all down but it doesent look like im going to be the first, nor do i really want to be.
...BUT, i may have some tricks for a standalone management system for our motors if anyones intrested. Hit me up on xatuner.com for more info.
...After reading this: https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67782
I have decided that with a stand alone management system for our motors there is great potential. Im not saying that there is ever going to be as much room in the economical 1nz, but at the same time its a much more "friendly" choice.
My big issues with performing this swap would be
1. motor mounts (not something you can exactly throw together)
2. unpredictable suspension (caused by the offset weight of the engine and the transmission (which i neglected to factor in transmission weight in my previous post)
3. Firewall modifications
4.axles "w/ 4 lug hubs" ($$$)
5.and finally hood clearance where there is nothing even close on the markey that would work (i.e. c-one) and i feel it would look stupid with some sort of raised hood.
...sorry to let you all down but it doesent look like im going to be the first, nor do i really want to be.
...BUT, i may have some tricks for a standalone management system for our motors if anyones intrested. Hit me up on xatuner.com for more info.
11-27-2006, 12:49 AM
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ya but when you build a motor you lose legality, with a stock to stock swap that will give the same power, id go with the swap. as far as suspension goes, if your THAT worried about it, get some springs with an air cylinder in the middle. thats what i would run. motor mounts on such a light FWD car can almost be built home-style....but i havent looked at it as much as you.
it seems more than doable tho. i may have to try it.
it seems more than doable tho. i may have to try it.
11-27-2006, 01:27 AM
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weight or drivetrain layout has nothing to do with whether or not a motor mount can be home built. One needs to consider many factors such as total engine movement within different throttle positions, amounts of tourque applied, height, and etc. If it were this easy, companies such as Hasport would not be in business, because evry kid with a lightweight fwd honda would have made there own. Also, regardless of what you were to do it would be practically impossible to corect the geometry of the suspension.