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ground wires.
03-28-2006, 07:58 PM
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They love to spout that kind of bull. Will they ever learn to just warranty stuff and not look for reasons to void warranty items. Stupid Stealerships
03-28-2006, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SCI_TC_GUY
tell them that they have to do tests to PROVE the ground wires/aftermarket stereo was the cause of the problem... Magnuson vs. Moss act states that they can only void the warranty if the modification is the DIRECT CAUSE for the warranted part's failure... THEY MUST PROVE THIS!!!!
03-28-2006, 08:39 PM
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^^^ email that to the OP and tell him to take it to the dealer....
could you email me it as well?
could you email me it as well?
03-29-2006, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by brownKIDDnate
Originally Posted by SCI_TC_GUY
tell them that they have to do tests to PROVE the ground wires/aftermarket stereo was the cause of the problem... Magnuson vs. Moss act states that they can only void the warranty if the modification is the DIRECT CAUSE for the warranted part's failure... THEY MUST PROVE THIS!!!!
03-29-2006, 03:23 AM
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Not worth the effort or expense. Won't hurt anything but definately won't help either. For the guys claiming a smooth 300 or 400 RPM idle, I'll have to call BS.
03-29-2006, 03:29 AM
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thats your opinion. every body gets one. dont make it right but you get one.
03-29-2006, 03:43 AM
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03-29-2006, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jethro_b
thats your opinion. every body gets one. dont make it right but you get one.
jethro_b Posted: 3/26/06 10:27PM Post subject:
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svt_to_xb wrote:
Sciond wrote:
snake oil
I will say, I have a background in electromechanics. in my understanding in electronics. The cleaner and less resistant path you can give voltage,the better. It's not snake oil, It's basic electrical theory.
Exactly right on. Makes idle smoother and helps overall efficiency of the electrical system. Snake oil That's funny
Mine idles in drive at 400-500 rpms. Butter smooth
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svt_to_xb wrote:
Sciond wrote:
snake oil
I will say, I have a background in electromechanics. in my understanding in electronics. The cleaner and less resistant path you can give voltage,the better. It's not snake oil, It's basic electrical theory.
Exactly right on. Makes idle smoother and helps overall efficiency of the electrical system. Snake oil That's funny
Mine idles in drive at 400-500 rpms. Butter smooth
03-29-2006, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
Originally Posted by jethro_b
thats your opinion. every body gets one. dont make it right but you get one.
jethro_b Posted: 3/26/06 10:27PM Post subject:
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svt_to_xb wrote:
Sciond wrote:
snake oil
I will say, I have a background in electromechanics. in my understanding in electronics. The cleaner and less resistant path you can give voltage,the better. It's not snake oil, It's basic electrical theory.
Exactly right on. Makes idle smoother and helps overall efficiency of the electrical system. Snake oil That's funny
Mine idles in drive at 400-500 rpms. Butter smooth
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svt_to_xb wrote:
Sciond wrote:
snake oil
I will say, I have a background in electromechanics. in my understanding in electronics. The cleaner and less resistant path you can give voltage,the better. It's not snake oil, It's basic electrical theory.
Exactly right on. Makes idle smoother and helps overall efficiency of the electrical system. Snake oil That's funny
Mine idles in drive at 400-500 rpms. Butter smooth
03-29-2006, 06:14 PM
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And to add to that, a smaller wire has more resistance in it than a larger wire. If you were to take a 100ft piece of 18 guage, and a 100ft piece of 4 guage and measure the resistance( type of metal makes a difference also), the 4 guage (because it is larger) will have less resistance when measured end to end with a meter. I will agree 4 guage might be overkill, but anything larger than what's stock is better.
03-29-2006, 07:13 PM
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My car runs faster after I wax it too.
I'd say it's at least a 5 WHP gain.
I'd say it's at least a 5 WHP gain.
03-29-2006, 07:17 PM
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You probably don't get more hp, funny. It just alows all the electronics in the vehicle to get more accurate readings.
03-29-2006, 08:07 PM
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I asked before in another thread for someone to post electrical measurements to backup the ground-wire gains proclamations, but nobody ever did.
I just won't buy anything without sufficient data to prove it's for real.
I understand all about electricity and how it works, but that does not mean your car will improve is a kit is used.
Think about it - if a $20 wire kit could do that much for a car's performance, why wouldn't car makers add one at the factory (or in the design phase)?
Scott
I just won't buy anything without sufficient data to prove it's for real.
I understand all about electricity and how it works, but that does not mean your car will improve is a kit is used.
Think about it - if a $20 wire kit could do that much for a car's performance, why wouldn't car makers add one at the factory (or in the design phase)?
Scott
03-29-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
And to add to that, a smaller wire has more resistance in it than a larger wire. If you were to take a 100ft piece of 18 guage, and a 100ft piece of 4 guage and measure the resistance( type of metal makes a difference also), the 4 guage (because it is larger) will have less resistance when measured end to end with a meter. I will agree 4 guage might be overkill, but anything larger than what's stock is better.
03-30-2006, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
And to add to that, a smaller wire has more resistance in it than a larger wire. If you were to take a 100ft piece of 18 guage, and a 100ft piece of 4 guage and measure the resistance( type of metal makes a difference also), the 4 guage (because it is larger) will have less resistance when measured end to end with a meter. I will agree 4 guage might be overkill, but anything larger than what's stock is better.
03-30-2006, 01:33 AM
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another thing to try is, before ground kit, my lights would go dim if I held up my power window button. With ground kit, it doesn't do that any more. Not that stock wasn't ok. ground wires just make it a little bit better.
03-30-2006, 01:51 AM
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^^^ But again, you're assuming there's a problem or shortcoming to begin with.
All I ask is for some proof - some data - anything.
If I see it, I'll step right up and buy.
Scott
All I ask is for some proof - some data - anything.
If I see it, I'll step right up and buy.
Scott
03-30-2006, 01:56 AM
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Another thing is better grounds reduce electrical noise. Which in turn help electronics.
my lights would go dim if I held up my power window button.
If the grounding system is so lacking, by the communitive property wouldn't the positive side also benifit from an increase in wire gauge? Should we run 8ga wire to the computer and all the sensors and possibly even to the lights that dim when you hold your power switch up? Or have we narrowed the problem down to just the grounds? It seems almost too easy of a fix to toss a bunch of ground wires in the engine bay and cure all the ills of your electrical system. My car doesn't have too many of these problems and I have more electronics in it than most. Amazingly they all work just fine without the extra grounding of a grounding kit. Born lucky I guess...........
03-30-2006, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
Another thing is better grounds reduce electrical noise. Which in turn help electronics.
my lights would go dim if I held up my power window button.
If the grounding system is so lacking, by the communitive property wouldn't the positive side also benifit from an increase in wire gauge? Should we run 8ga wire to the computer and all the sensors and possibly even to the lights that dim when you hold your power switch up? Or have we narrowed the problem down to just the grounds? It seems almost too easy of a fix to toss a bunch of ground wires in the engine bay and cure all the ills of your electrical system. My car doesn't have too many of these problems and I have more electronics in it than most. Amazingly they all work just fine without the extra grounding of a grounding kit. Born lucky I guess...........
03-30-2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by jethro_b
Originally Posted by Scott17
Another thing is better grounds reduce electrical noise. Which in turn help electronics.
my lights would go dim if I held up my power window button.
If the grounding system is so lacking, by the communitive property wouldn't the positive side also benifit from an increase in wire gauge? Should we run 8ga wire to the computer and all the sensors and possibly even to the lights that dim when you hold your power switch up? Or have we narrowed the problem down to just the grounds? It seems almost too easy of a fix to toss a bunch of ground wires in the engine bay and cure all the ills of your electrical system. My car doesn't have too many of these problems and I have more electronics in it than most. Amazingly they all work just fine without the extra grounding of a grounding kit. Born lucky I guess...........now they look good....cosmetics are nice.......