View Poll Results: Do ground wires make a difference?
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ground wires.
03-30-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SciontCya
^^^ But again, you're assuming there's a problem or shortcoming to begin with.
All I ask is for some proof - some data - anything.
If I see it, I'll step right up and buy.
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All I ask is for some proof - some data - anything.
If I see it, I'll step right up and buy.
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03-30-2006, 03:15 PM
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It might be interesting to know where the actual ground points of the XB are. PM me your E-mail and I'll send you a pdf file of the ground points that may be enlightening.
03-30-2006, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
It might be interesting to know where the actual ground points of the XB are. PM me your E-mail and I'll send you a pdf file of the ground points that may be enlightening.
03-30-2006, 04:53 PM
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I'm referring to the actual ground points Scion uses in the XB for all wire harnesses. I am well aware of where these so-called experts are running ground wires under the hood. 
It might interest you as to where things are actually grounded. I hear so much drivel about how a ground wire under the hood has such a profound effect on "sensor readings" as to make the car run better and such. If you had all the info I think you too may find this whole matter quite silly. Reasonable people, equally informed, seldom disagree.
Do you REALLY have a smoother idle? I think you might have spent good money on a ground wire kit and are too ashamed to admit you got hosed. There's no shame if you learned something from it, but when you spread mis-information on this forum for younger guys to pick up and repeat, I'll be the first to call BS. I deal with things like this for a living and I am actually living pretty good so something must be going right. I remember a few years ago when my kid was explaining to me how valuable Pokemon cards were going to be, and which ones were the best and all.....I told him to save his money and don't buy into the hype. A few years down the road he knows better and is glad he didn't blow all his money on Pokemon cards. I have a funny feeling you will feel the same way about ground wires in a few years...... 
It might interest you as to where things are actually grounded. I hear so much drivel about how a ground wire under the hood has such a profound effect on "sensor readings" as to make the car run better and such. If you had all the info I think you too may find this whole matter quite silly. Reasonable people, equally informed, seldom disagree.
blah blah blah....nobody is forcing you to buy a ground kit.. remember this is your opinion and if others get results what is your gripe??? I have a smoother idle and am very happy with my car..
I remember a few years ago when my kid was explaining to me how valuable Pokemon cards were going to be, and which ones were the best and all.....I told him to save his money and don't buy into the hype. A few years down the road he knows better and is glad he didn't blow all his money on Pokemon cards. I have a funny feeling you will feel the same way about ground wires in a few years......
03-30-2006, 05:03 PM
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^^^ I just ordered Pokemon™ Ground Wires in YELLOW!
Did I get hosed
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03-30-2006, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
I'm referring to the actual ground points Scion uses in the XB for all wire harnesses. I am well aware of where these so-called experts are running ground wires under the hood. It might interest you as to where things are actually grounded. I hear so much drivel about how a ground wire under the hood has such a profound effect on "sensor readings" as to make the car run better and such. If you had all the info I think you too may find this whole matter quite silly. Reasonable people, equally informed, seldom disagree.
Do you REALLY have a smoother idle? I think you might have spent good money on a ground wire kit and are too ashamed to admit you got hosed. There's no shame if you learned something from it, but when you spread mis-information on this forum for younger guys to pick up and repeat, I'll be the first to call BS. I deal with things like this for a living and I am actually living pretty good so something must be going right. I remember a few years ago when my kid was explaining to me how valuable Pokemon cards were going to be, and which ones were the best and all.....I told him to save his money and don't buy into the hype. A few years down the road he knows better and is glad he didn't blow all his money on Pokemon cards. I have a funny feeling you will feel the same way about ground wires in a few years......
It might interest you as to where things are actually grounded. I hear so much drivel about how a ground wire under the hood has such a profound effect on "sensor readings" as to make the car run better and such. If you had all the info I think you too may find this whole matter quite silly. Reasonable people, equally informed, seldom disagree.
blah blah blah....nobody is forcing you to buy a ground kit.. remember this is your opinion and if others get results what is your gripe??? I have a smoother idle and am very happy with my car..
I remember a few years ago when my kid was explaining to me how valuable Pokemon cards were going to be, and which ones were the best and all.....I told him to save his money and don't buy into the hype. A few years down the road he knows better and is glad he didn't blow all his money on Pokemon cards. I have a funny feeling you will feel the same way about ground wires in a few years......
03-30-2006, 07:55 PM
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As long as you like it it is all good. The best thing about ground wires(unlike some other mods) is that they definately won't hurt anything. If you like the way they look, by all means. If you have any performance expectations, you will be disappointed.
03-30-2006, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott17
As long as you like it it is all good. The best thing about ground wires(unlike some other mods) is that they definately won't hurt anything. If you like the way they look, by all means. If you have any performance expectations, you will be disappointed.
03-30-2006, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by brownKIDDnate
Originally Posted by SCI_TC_GUY
tell them that they have to do tests to PROVE the ground wires/aftermarket stereo was the cause of the problem... Magnuson vs. Moss act states that they can only void the warranty if the modification is the DIRECT CAUSE for the warranted part's failure... THEY MUST PROVE THIS!!!!
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...s/warranty.htm
03-31-2006, 02:44 AM
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I am sorry we all cant be as superior as you think you are. Scott 17, I only paid 20 bucks into my ground wiring.. I did it myself. Why do you have to keep putting folks down just cause you dont agree.. I have driven the car enough to see the difference.. What you believe doesnt concern me.. I am just reporting my results and the facts as I got them.
03-31-2006, 02:51 AM
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I am sorry you can't be superior too. No one feels worse about it than I do. 
Where was it that you got these facts from again????? 
Where was it that you got these facts from again?????
04-01-2006, 07:55 PM
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I gotta tell you guys, after I installed my ground wire kit (20.00 on eBay) my xB ran smoother, faster and more women stare at it. In addition my ciild support payment magically paid themselves, my microwave oven cooks faster, my "member" grew four inches and the IRS called to say that I don't have to pay taxes any longer. Plus they look friggin' cool!
I'm thinking about adding another set just to see what happens next!
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I'm thinking about adding another set just to see what happens next!
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04-01-2006, 10:05 PM
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I may have to get some too then!
04-04-2006, 11:32 AM
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I have read all of Scott17's post Jethro and he didn't put anyone down only you did....I am sorry we all cant be as superior as you think you are. Scott 17, I only paid 20 bucks into my ground wiring.. I did it myself. Why do you have to keep putting folks down just cause you dont agree.. He is giving you educated facts, he is a Toyota Master Tech and is trying to help people make decisions on making worthwhile purchases, he said if you like it do it, won't hurt.
04-04-2006, 11:57 AM
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As, I have gone back and fourth with Scott, I don't think he's putting us down. he makes some valuable points to consider. I will say that the electical system in the xb is adequate. It does the job. But on the other side of the token, adding the wires does not hurt and in my theories will improve upon the wiring system. It's definately interesting to see how two educated sides cannot agree either. These wires aren't going to make you jump higher or get more horse power. They just make everything work a little bit smoother.
04-04-2006, 02:10 PM
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i like my idle at 300- 500 rpm. with my engine dampener in now, ill be sitting at a light and it will drop to 300, the inside starts shaking and finally the cold air intake goes "psst" and raises back . does this about every 5 seconds. then the girl next to me looks over and says "whats wrong with your car" . its good.
04-06-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
I will say, I have a background in electromechanics. in my understanding in electronics. The cleaner and less resistant path you can give voltage,the better. It's not snake oil, It's basic electrical theory.
04-06-2006, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by soylentgreen
Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
I will say, I have a background in electromechanics. in my understanding in electronics. The cleaner and less resistant path you can give voltage,the better. It's not snake oil, It's basic electrical theory.
04-06-2006, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by hornet_on_the_flower
04-06-2006, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by svt_to_xb
Your right, sorry. I worded it incorrectly.