Horsepower increase on a xB, with a $1k limit. Suggestions??
09-22-2005 | 04:03 AM
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ok, listen people, the xb and xa ( i own an xa) are not made to have incredible horespower, we know this, but that does not mean that the little gains are not notable. Someone mentioned that plugs and grounding cables do nothing. This is not true, they definatly increase throttle response, give the car a lil more power, and make the car more efficient. Anyone that wants to argue this point can come and race me cause i have both these mods ( along with a few others). They do somehting, its no turbo or supwecharger, but its something. Secondly, the short shifter does not increase power, it creater shorter shifts, and more precise shifts, which equates to faster shifts. The time eliminated with each shift makes you quicker, not faster.
Imma muscle car guy, i own a scion cause gas is a _____, im paying for insurance, and i payed for the car. I love my scion anyways, and i do whatever i can to iti find it horrible when people give up with the car unless a "Turbo" is involved in the equation. There is no greater pleasure for me than going outside and installing whatever part it is that got in that day, or going to my friends house to install things on his car. Thank You
Imma muscle car guy, i own a scion cause gas is a _____, im paying for insurance, and i payed for the car. I love my scion anyways, and i do whatever i can to iti find it horrible when people give up with the car unless a "Turbo" is involved in the equation. There is no greater pleasure for me than going outside and installing whatever part it is that got in that day, or going to my friends house to install things on his car. Thank You
09-22-2005 | 04:20 AM
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Increase HP with a $1k limit? Hmmm.... 
hmmm... hmmm....
Nitrous Oxide! less than 600 dollars
better safe is the intake, header & exhaust, and please, shop reputable brands.
don't forget the ground wire kit, this is very important,only with the ground wire kit you xb can gain 20hp, i see this info in ebay...
hmmm...
hmmm.... Nitrous Oxide! less than 600 dollars
better safe is the intake, header & exhaust, and please, shop reputable brands.
don't forget the ground wire kit, this is very important,only with the ground wire kit you xb can gain 20hp, i see this info in ebay...
09-22-2005 | 03:59 PM
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ydr intake: https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...&highlight=ydr
$75 This is basically an Injen for 1/2 the price.
Strup Header:
http://www.partshippers.com/index.ph...2dd9b22ed64224
$295
Strup Muffler: http://www.partshippers.com/index.ph...roducts_id=731
$285
Perrin lightweight crank pulley: http://www.precisionmuffler.com/id69...ank_pulley.htm
$140
$75 This is basically an Injen for 1/2 the price.
Strup Header:
http://www.partshippers.com/index.ph...2dd9b22ed64224
$295
Strup Muffler: http://www.partshippers.com/index.ph...roducts_id=731
$285
Perrin lightweight crank pulley: http://www.precisionmuffler.com/id69...ank_pulley.htm
$140
09-23-2005 | 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Emfdiablo
ok, listen people, the xb and xa ( i own an xa) are not made to have incredible horespower, we know this, but that does not mean that the little gains are not notable. Someone mentioned that plugs and grounding cables do nothing. This is not true, they definatly increase throttle response, give the car a lil more power, and make the car more efficient. Anyone that wants to argue this point can come and race me cause i have both these mods ( along with a few others). They do somehting, its no turbo or supwecharger, but its something. Secondly, the short shifter does not increase power, it creater shorter shifts, and more precise shifts, which equates to faster shifts. The time eliminated with each shift makes you quicker, not faster.
Imma muscle car guy, i own a scion cause gas is a biscuit, im paying for insurance, and i payed for the car. I love my scion anyways, and i do whatever i can to iti find it horrible when people give up with the car unless a "Turbo" is involved in the equation. There is no greater pleasure for me than going outside and installing whatever part it is that got in that day, or going to my friends house to install things on his car. Thank You
Imma muscle car guy, i own a scion cause gas is a biscuit, im paying for insurance, and i payed for the car. I love my scion anyways, and i do whatever i can to iti find it horrible when people give up with the car unless a "Turbo" is involved in the equation. There is no greater pleasure for me than going outside and installing whatever part it is that got in that day, or going to my friends house to install things on his car. Thank You
09-23-2005 | 07:35 AM
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actually i'd kinda have to agree with...whoever agreed with grounding wires. I myself have some ground wires in my car (courtesy of mikochu's tutorial) and yes, they wont make this huge a$$ difference, but it really REALLY does make the throttle more responsive, smoother shifts and a smidge more power through the lower and mid RPM ranges. Again, it's not like OMG increase but it the kind that you can feel a bit. And well...if it's all placebo and in my head, then I'm glad!! My head just taught me to make my car feel more responsive and shift better 
09-23-2005 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gnar-de-gwar
actually i'd kinda have to agree with...whoever agreed with grounding wires. I myself have some ground wires in my car (courtesy of mikochu's tutorial) and yes, they wont make this huge a$$ difference, but it really REALLY does make the throttle more responsive, smoother shifts and a smidge more power through the lower and mid RPM ranges. Again, it's not like OMG increase but it the kind that you can feel a bit. And well...if it's all placebo and in my head, then I'm glad!! My head just taught me to make my car feel more responsive and shift better
And Emfdiablo, yes, I do understand what you think it does. More than you know........... 
09-23-2005 | 11:36 PM
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I dont have ground wires on my car, but from what I've read in magazine tests they can produce a small amount of power...
For example, Import Tuner's Suzuki Aerio:
"The last item to install and test was the Hyperground ground wire system. The installation was very simple and involved grounding the engine in series at several different points in the engine bay. Without fully understanding the technology behind the unit, we were doubtful that this would make any noticeable horsepower. The tale of the tape showed differently, however; the power graph smoothed out (in the upwards direction) from 2000-4500rpm, and then really shined in the 4500-6000 rpm range, making an almost evenly distributed 3-5 hp gain. The power gain tapered from 6000 rpm to redline, but still managed to bump peak power output to 122.4. According to Hyperground, playing with different grounding spots can generate even more power."
"How much good can a measly set of ground wires do? We asked ourselves the same question and felt really stupid when 4-5 hp gains were not unusual at some points in the powerband. It only let up at the high-end, registering a 1.5 hp increase, but still managed to smooth out the low-end power and torque."
Heres the article: http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0212it_ppsuzuki/
They also tried them on a Prelude, but were surprised that it did not make power, and said that this was the first time it hasnt made an improvement.
"Dyno notes: We played with many different grounding points and still weren't able to make any power. Most of the power differences you see on the graph are so minimal we aren't even sure if the wires made a difference. One thing we did find out was not to ground the wires by the coil. We actually lost power there, so we moved them to the intake manifold and bumped power back up to our baseline figure.
Part includes: Five different-length ground wires and battery terminal.
Pros: This has become a favorite product for Power Page testing since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable compared to other aftermarket products.
Cons: This was the first time we were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires. Our conclusion was the car had very good grounding points to begin with. We probably would have seen more power if we had a few more parts on the car."
http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0306it_ppprelude/
For example, Import Tuner's Suzuki Aerio:
"The last item to install and test was the Hyperground ground wire system. The installation was very simple and involved grounding the engine in series at several different points in the engine bay. Without fully understanding the technology behind the unit, we were doubtful that this would make any noticeable horsepower. The tale of the tape showed differently, however; the power graph smoothed out (in the upwards direction) from 2000-4500rpm, and then really shined in the 4500-6000 rpm range, making an almost evenly distributed 3-5 hp gain. The power gain tapered from 6000 rpm to redline, but still managed to bump peak power output to 122.4. According to Hyperground, playing with different grounding spots can generate even more power."
"How much good can a measly set of ground wires do? We asked ourselves the same question and felt really stupid when 4-5 hp gains were not unusual at some points in the powerband. It only let up at the high-end, registering a 1.5 hp increase, but still managed to smooth out the low-end power and torque."
Heres the article: http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0212it_ppsuzuki/
They also tried them on a Prelude, but were surprised that it did not make power, and said that this was the first time it hasnt made an improvement.
"Dyno notes: We played with many different grounding points and still weren't able to make any power. Most of the power differences you see on the graph are so minimal we aren't even sure if the wires made a difference. One thing we did find out was not to ground the wires by the coil. We actually lost power there, so we moved them to the intake manifold and bumped power back up to our baseline figure.
Part includes: Five different-length ground wires and battery terminal.
Pros: This has become a favorite product for Power Page testing since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable compared to other aftermarket products.
Cons: This was the first time we were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires. Our conclusion was the car had very good grounding points to begin with. We probably would have seen more power if we had a few more parts on the car."
http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0306it_ppprelude/
09-24-2005 | 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GloriusMidget
I dont have ground wires on my car, but from what I've read in magazine tests they can produce a small amount of power...
For example, Import Tuner's Suzuki Aerio:
"The last item to install and test was the Hyperground ground wire system. The installation was very simple and involved grounding the engine in series at several different points in the engine bay. Without fully understanding the technology behind the unit, we were doubtful that this would make any noticeable horsepower. The tale of the tape showed differently, however; the power graph smoothed out (in the upwards direction) from 2000-4500rpm, and then really shined in the 4500-6000 rpm range, making an almost evenly distributed 3-5 hp gain. The power gain tapered from 6000 rpm to redline, but still managed to bump peak power output to 122.4. According to Hyperground, playing with different grounding spots can generate even more power."
"How much good can a measly set of ground wires do? We asked ourselves the same question and felt really stupid when 4-5 hp gains were not unusual at some points in the powerband. It only let up at the high-end, registering a 1.5 hp increase, but still managed to smooth out the low-end power and torque."
Heres the article: http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0212it_ppsuzuki/
They also tried them on a Prelude, but were surprised that it did not make power, and said that this was the first time it hasnt made an improvement.
"Dyno notes: We played with many different grounding points and still weren't able to make any power. Most of the power differences you see on the graph are so minimal we aren't even sure if the wires made a difference. One thing we did find out was not to ground the wires by the coil. We actually lost power there, so we moved them to the intake manifold and bumped power back up to our baseline figure.
Part includes: Five different-length ground wires and battery terminal.
Pros: This has become a favorite product for Power Page testing since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable compared to other aftermarket products.
Cons: This was the first time we were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires. Our conclusion was the car had very good grounding points to begin with. We probably would have seen more power if we had a few more parts on the car."
http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0306it_ppprelude/
For example, Import Tuner's Suzuki Aerio:
"The last item to install and test was the Hyperground ground wire system. The installation was very simple and involved grounding the engine in series at several different points in the engine bay. Without fully understanding the technology behind the unit, we were doubtful that this would make any noticeable horsepower. The tale of the tape showed differently, however; the power graph smoothed out (in the upwards direction) from 2000-4500rpm, and then really shined in the 4500-6000 rpm range, making an almost evenly distributed 3-5 hp gain. The power gain tapered from 6000 rpm to redline, but still managed to bump peak power output to 122.4. According to Hyperground, playing with different grounding spots can generate even more power."
"How much good can a measly set of ground wires do? We asked ourselves the same question and felt really stupid when 4-5 hp gains were not unusual at some points in the powerband. It only let up at the high-end, registering a 1.5 hp increase, but still managed to smooth out the low-end power and torque."
Heres the article: http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0212it_ppsuzuki/
They also tried them on a Prelude, but were surprised that it did not make power, and said that this was the first time it hasnt made an improvement.
"Dyno notes: We played with many different grounding points and still weren't able to make any power. Most of the power differences you see on the graph are so minimal we aren't even sure if the wires made a difference. One thing we did find out was not to ground the wires by the coil. We actually lost power there, so we moved them to the intake manifold and bumped power back up to our baseline figure.
Part includes: Five different-length ground wires and battery terminal.
Pros: This has become a favorite product for Power Page testing since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable compared to other aftermarket products.
Cons: This was the first time we were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires. Our conclusion was the car had very good grounding points to begin with. We probably would have seen more power if we had a few more parts on the car."
http://importtuner.com/powerpages/0306it_ppprelude/
Sorry, I didn't get my education in auto mechanics from reading Import Tuner, I was dumb enough to go to college (twice) and attend every tech training class Toyota provides to become a Master Diagnostic Technician. And to think i could have gotten by for the price of a subscription! 
I have told you my professional opinion on these "marvels of marketing to the naieve" so I will yield the floor to all the true experts.........
09-24-2005 | 06:17 AM
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I have a rusty 2mm x 8mm ground strap on my 400hp Mustang...seems to work just fine. Maybe one day when I have time to waste I'll strap 5 more pounds of ground wire in there and see if it make a differance. 
09-24-2005 | 03:56 PM
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you guys must be right, maybe making sure that the cars electrical system is running as smoothly as possible does nothing for the cars ignition system....or anything like that, i must be wrong having seen positive results on two cars that ive put ground wires on, but then again, its just personal exprerience...and what good is that?
09-24-2005 | 07:06 PM
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I think the Toyota engineers took care of that for you so don't quit your day job. Maybe these Toyota engineers shoud get a subscription to Import Tuner or just read this thread! Did they only fail in the ground circuit of the car or are there others I should be on the lookout for? Dome light wiring to 4ga. possibly? I hear it makes it WAY brighter!
Did they only fail in the ground circuit of the car or are there others I should be on the lookout for? Dome light wiring to 4ga. possibly? I hear it makes it WAY brighter!
09-26-2005 | 02:04 AM
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It's a cool looking mod that's very cheap and fun for a novice to do. We're all just trying to have a little fun with our cars, so I say have at it. It sure aint gonna hurt anything. Maybe it will lead to bigger and better things in the future.
If it worked for your car, then it was well worth it for you.
If it worked for your car, then it was well worth it for you.
09-26-2005 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Emfdiablo
again PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.........thats where i learn from, not Import Tuner, so please read my comments before you comment on them, it usually helps stay on topic
But Superfa is right, it won't HURT anything and it may be fun or look neat so no harm done. Just don't expect any performnce gains and you won't be dissappointed.
09-26-2005 | 04:14 AM
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OK this thing work in this form…
Gauge # 8 gains 2hp
Gauge # 4 gains 5hp
Gauge # 1 gains 10hp
Gauge # 0 gains 15hp
Its your choice of the # of the cable…
Don’t forget the strategic points in the engine, this mod is similar of the apuculture in the human body but for engine cars…
You don’t need any MSD or super spark plug wires, if this ground cable can do it… only with the miracle of negative energy…. grounding…
Don’t be fooled, If the engine of your car does not seem that a spider living inside, this car don’t have a good grounding cables.
Gauge # 8 gains 2hp
Gauge # 4 gains 5hp
Gauge # 1 gains 10hp
Gauge # 0 gains 15hp
Its your choice of the # of the cable…
Don’t forget the strategic points in the engine, this mod is similar of the apuculture in the human body but for engine cars…
You don’t need any MSD or super spark plug wires, if this ground cable can do it… only with the miracle of negative energy…. grounding…
Don’t be fooled, If the engine of your car does not seem that a spider living inside, this car don’t have a good grounding cables.