Hydrolocked Engine?
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Again I checked Injen's web site and it's disclaimer states that their intakes should not be driven in wet or rainning condictions. Failare to remove the intake will cause serious damage to your car.
Check for yourself.
www.injen.com
Check for yourself.
www.injen.com
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Originally Posted by Orataro
Again I checked Injen's web site and it's disclaimer states that their intakes should not be driven in wet or rainning condictions. Failare to remove the intake will cause serious damage to your car.
Check for yourself.
www.injen.com
Check for yourself.
www.injen.com
*Injen Technology Cold Air Intake Systems should be removed in any wet climates or on any wet roads or highways. Failure to comply with the above warnings may cause water to be absorbed into the engine through the filter causing serious damage to your motor. Injen Technology Co., Ltd. assumes no liability for damages toy your motor due to water entering your engine through the Injen intake system. Although a bypass valve may be used on most systems, it will void warranty and the C.A.R.B. EO# at this time.
Please remember to drive safe, and drive smart.
#23
Originally Posted by NemoBronsky
Originally Posted by George
Lots of misinformation in this thread!
1. Water will pass through an oiled gauze filter, through exactly the same passages that the air uses. Ask any off-road motorcycle racer that has dropped his bike in a river crossing.
2. It takes a fairly large slug of water to hydrolock an engine. You could put a liter of water into an engine in a minute without any ill effect. Hydrolocking is caused by putting a large amount of water into a cylinder in one stroke. A constant flow of water, such as that caused by rain droplets passing through a filter won't cause a problem.
George
1. Water will pass through an oiled gauze filter, through exactly the same passages that the air uses. Ask any off-road motorcycle racer that has dropped his bike in a river crossing.
2. It takes a fairly large slug of water to hydrolock an engine. You could put a liter of water into an engine in a minute without any ill effect. Hydrolocking is caused by putting a large amount of water into a cylinder in one stroke. A constant flow of water, such as that caused by rain droplets passing through a filter won't cause a problem.
George
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Disclaimers are used "in case" something happens. This doesn't mean that it will happen. I've driven in the rain with no problems what so ever. Most intakes for the xB that are for sale are safe to use in the rain.
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Originally Posted by scionxb04
used to run 10.8 to compression in a b16a2 with jackson racing supercharger and their water injection kit.....a small amount of water is a good thing.....raises compression...cools the cylinder....allows for more timing advancement and more boost......larger amounts of water will raise the internal cylinder pressure to high and will cause problems.....now that im N/A in the civic i use the aem cold air intake witht eh filter right in front of my front right tire behind the hole for the oem foglamps....i pulled out the plastic insert for the oem foglamp and can see the filter right behind it....i have driven my car through some hell storms of rain....no problems...no CEL....nothing..... as for "Any water in the combustion chamber isn't good" thats just not true....the 500cubic inch v8 block we run in the drag boat on alcohol and methanol pushes 1,800hp and uses water injection to allow us the kind of boost levels we run and the timing advances we run.... here is the kit for the civic i ran http://www.jacksonracing.com/Shop/Vi...eIndexID=37417
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Originally Posted by NemoBronsky
Originally Posted by George
Lots of misinformation in this thread!
1. Water will pass through an oiled gauze filter, through exactly the same passages that the air uses. Ask any off-road motorcycle racer that has dropped his bike in a river crossing.
2. It takes a fairly large slug of water to hydrolock an engine. You could put a liter of water into an engine in a minute without any ill effect. Hydrolocking is caused by putting a large amount of water into a cylinder in one stroke. A constant flow of water, such as that caused by rain droplets passing through a filter won't cause a problem.
George
1. Water will pass through an oiled gauze filter, through exactly the same passages that the air uses. Ask any off-road motorcycle racer that has dropped his bike in a river crossing.
2. It takes a fairly large slug of water to hydrolock an engine. You could put a liter of water into an engine in a minute without any ill effect. Hydrolocking is caused by putting a large amount of water into a cylinder in one stroke. A constant flow of water, such as that caused by rain droplets passing through a filter won't cause a problem.
George
At 3000RPM, the engine has 6000 intake strokes per minute (1 stroke every two revolutions, four cylinders). Break a liter into 6000 pieces and you get 0.16 cm^3 of water per intake stroke. One cylinder is 375cm^3 in displacement, which at 10:1 means that the combustion chamber volume is 35.5cm^3. 0.16 is .004 or 0.4% of this volume.
You're going to break something by putting an incompressable object in the combustion chamber that accounts for less than 1% of the combustion chamber volume? I think not! Even if the distribution varied so that one cylinder got all the water, it would only take up 1.6 percent of the available volume.
Originally Posted by NemoBronsky
- if you put a tea spoon of water into the tiny 1NZFE combustion chambers your going to bend/snap valves/connecting rods- blow piston rings- something.
Originally Posted by NemoBronsky
Something will have to give and it won't be the water. Also isn't anyone worried about rusting in the inside of the combustion chamber/exhaust from the eventual possible accumulation?
Originally Posted by NemoBronsky
Water will get into the filter, and it will get into the intake, and eventually into the combustion chamber if your driving through extremely wet conditions and not armed with something to slow it down or prevent it. Any water in the combustion chamber isn't good
Originally Posted by NemoBronsky
. The best way to prevent this is go to K&N's website and look for a drycharger- they go over the filter element and help channel out moisture, if you pick up the new K&N Typhoon intake(The best one available for the xB right now :D ) for the xB you automatically get a dry charger for free. Sorry it got so long- But I've been working on "everyday" cars for years and have seen just about everything possible go wrong- and water and engines don't mix unless it's in the cooling system. Thinking "minimal amounts don't hurt" is just asking for trouble in the long run.
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OH MY GOD PEOPLE!!! RELAX. Injen's website states that their disclaimer only applies to the cold air intake and cold air extension. The only intake available for the xB is the short ram. You have no reason to be so freakin paranoid!!! Millions and millions of people have intakes on their cars. Millions of people have COLD AIR INTAKES on their cars, and VERY VERY rarely does somebody ruin their engine because water gets in there!
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My wife like to wash are xb alot and we have a after market to grille which lets more air in also lets lots of water in we have the aem with the filter that is suppose to let air threw if water gets into bend but this filter also lets water in car kept stallin took 30 minutes to go 3 blocks got home took filter off full of water...... oopppsss
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I just took off the INJEN SRI after two + years of service and I never had the engine hydrolock. No too bad for 40k+ miles. I've had it on since it was first released.
Got something a bit nicer now.
Got something a bit nicer now.
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I had the injen on my car for a real long time and never ran into one problem...now if I can only get Fujita F5 to start making me an intake for my supercharger I will be back in business
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Originally Posted by Simplyscion
I had the injen on my car for a real long time and never ran into one problem...now if I can only get Fujita F5 to start making me an intake for my supercharger I will be back in business
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Although the experts have chimed in with very good answers maybe this noob can help. This is my first venture into purchasing a CAI had a SRI on my REX for the very reason. I puchased the AEM CAI because it had the bypass valve. Several people with injen intakes on thier hondas were farting around the parking lot at school and one hit into a puddle . . . nothing happened. . . of course the puddle wasn't deep so he stopped to check it out said it was fine. Of course being nosy I asked to see under there car and the damn intake was exposed yes exposed.
On our xB's we have all that plastic material under car and the intake is inverted up unless you hit a really deep puddle (i.e. pond) you should be fine. So on the AEM CAI I took the bypass valve off and replaced it with a connector from pep boys for $8.00. To this day nothing happened including hitting some potholes filled with water this week
On our xB's we have all that plastic material under car and the intake is inverted up unless you hit a really deep puddle (i.e. pond) you should be fine. So on the AEM CAI I took the bypass valve off and replaced it with a connector from pep boys for $8.00. To this day nothing happened including hitting some potholes filled with water this week
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ok im still not reasurred as much as id like to be cold aqir intake still scares me allittle i want the most power out my little engine but i dont wanna crack it ive heard of those dampeners or what ever in the track of sum cai but do they work?. also what i a dry charger i missed the exp of that.. id feel alot more at eas with just a norm short ram im also curious which give best power/ mpg?
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